C&Ds for Online D&D 5E Character Generators

Ed Friedlander reports that WotC has asked him to remove his D&D character generators. Ed ran the generators at his site, Pathguy.com, including a D&D 5E character generator. His Pathfinder RPG character generator is still running. Thanks to Slayyne for the scoop (who also reports that at least one other site has also closed). [Update: while the actual request has not been shared, others have reported that these are very amicable requests].

You can see his closing note here.

"After almost two decades, Wizards of the Coast has asked me to remove my online character generators. I appreciate the many people who have written and thanked me for my work, and I hope you will continue to enjoy the hobby.

As a physician and gamer, I've supported and defended the hobby, and helped concerned families understand its value.

The "Dungeons and Dragons" phenomenon has encouraged young people to study other cultures. It is a game in which people work together to accomplish a meaningful goal. Characters even define themselves in terms of their good morals and their ethics. On one level, it simulates the spiritual warfare described in the Christian scriptures and in the Arthurian legends on which the game is based. I am proud that I was able to make a contribution.

My generator for Pathfinder will of course remain online. Click here for more information about this role-playing game.

May your dice come up 20s.

Ed Friedlander MD
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Back in November, the D&D Tools website suffered a similar fate, as have a couple of spellcard websites. While WotC appears to be largely easygoing as far as fan creations are concerned, they do take action when content from their products is copied or distributed.

Ed's character generator created characters by selecting a number of options, and output a character sheet similar to below. I'm not all that familiar with it, so I don't know what text, if any, it may have borrowed from the official rules.

As yet, there's no license (Open Gaming or otherwise) for D&D 5th Edition (although WotC does intend to do so), although a number of publishers have published books anyway using the older Open Gaming License for D&D 3E and 3.5.

What is interesting to hear is that some people who have received such requests describe them as very amicable. Toxic Rat says "Speaking from personal experience, I received a very nice email asking that I take down particular content owned by WotC. No threats, no warnings of legal action, just a request to honor their copyright." That's great to hear.

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Well, it may not be illegal or unethical to pre-emptively C&D fan materials that fill a gap that you're currently unable or unwilling to fill yourself, but it's certainly stale. As someone who got a lot of use out of Pathguy's generators, this is a serious disappointment.
 

Sadly, this is a repeating pattern for WOTC. At least with V3, they included in the initial printing of the PHB, a CD with an alpha version of Mastertools which did included a limited function character generator. The company that was supposed to finish MT failed. WOTC wound up working a license deal with a sub group of the PCGen character generator folks to both finish MT which wound up being called E-Tools and also making data sets for the PCGen program. Everyone won. Folks had their computerized character makers and WOTC could crank out more books. Don't remember if this was a 3.0 deal that carried over to 3.5 or if 3.5 was already out when the deal was made.

When V4 was announced, WOTC yanked all the licenses and said they were going to go a different direction. 3.5 data sets ready to ship were pulled leaving customers without a legal way to purchase updates. This was well before V4 shipped. Then it took them a while after V4 shipped before the official WOTC tools became useful.

Fast forward to V5. V5 was publicly in development for over two years IIRC. The final rules had to be set months before the books were sent to the printers. Why couldn't WOTC develop a simple character generator for simultaneous release with the PHB? They could have used it as free advertising for whatever tools they finally manage to get pushed out the door some number of months from now. Making or modifying a character generator for V5 can't be that hard since WOTC is sending out C&D letters to folks that have already created them.

Watching this is very much like watching Groundhog Day as we are now on the third trip down this loop.
 

I am not a lawyer. I am especially not your lawyer. This is not legal advice.
In the US...Trademarks have to be defended or they can be voided.So it boils down to this TL/DR:
  • infringements against the basic rules have less damage potential because the basic rules are free.
  • Infringements against the PHB and other non-free works have significant damage potential, because of loss of sales
  • failure to act shows a permissiveness that can reduce the claimable damages in Copyright and can void the Trademarks.
  • The higherups must protect the IP under US laws.

Assuming this is correct: thank you for the information, and for bringing us back to the point. This makes sense to me.

I hope whatever is going to happen, happens soon. 3pps need to make material, and the initial push of the 5e release is going to fade if a process (whatever that is) isn't decided upon relatively soon. A tiny selection of official modules isn't enough support, imho. Right now, post-holidays, is a great time to do content, gearing up for the summer reading season. Otherwise, releases will be forced to miss GenCon, and wait on September or even Christmas.
 

It seems at this point that WoTC simply can't win.

Of course WotC can win.

But the problem is that they can not just say that they are working on a secret plan for winning which they will release at an unspecified time in the future.

Even in 2000 WotC can release a Players Handbook with a Character Builder attached so by 2014 they should have the process perfected for "winning".
 


I'm going to say it once more. A fan license would clear this up in a heart beat. Why have they not given us a license yet? Every other company in this space has one. Why do wizards not?
 

I'm going to say it once more. A fan license would clear this up in a heart beat. Why have they not given us a license yet? Every other company in this space has one. Why do wizards not?


um..they've said, for a long time now, that we'd hear information on that topic in the spring of 2015. Have you not been paying attention, or just forgot?
 

What I don't understand about shutting down Pathguy.com is WHY NOW!


He's had a deal with TSR to make character generators since before WOTC bought TSR!!! He's been doing this since 2nd edition

(they were downloadable commandline dos programs.) He made them for 2nd edition and alternity, he made them for 3.0, 3.5, 4e, and now 5?

So why change now he had permission back in the TSR days did the permission expire and get overlooked?
 

What I don't understand about shutting down Pathguy.com is WHY NOW!


He's had a deal with TSR to make character generators since before WOTC bought TSR!!! He's been doing this since 2nd edition

(they were downloadable commandline dos programs.) He made them for 2nd edition and alternity, he made them for 3.0, 3.5, 4e, and now 5?

So why change now he had permission back in the TSR days did the permission expire and get overlooked?

that's a very good question, was it a full licence, or just "Hey do what you want" thing?
 

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