D&D 5E Can a Reach Weapon stop someone attacking you?

I have addressed it with the player who did this, and he has been perfectly accepting of my ruling on the matter for a long time now. He still finds plenty of ways to get his sneak attack in without resorting to the cheese I described. But now, especially at public tables I'm upfront with players about "Hold the cheese please" both in regards to hide/SA/hide, and second rank pole arm butt spikes. Maybe that's defensive DMing but I'm not being paid to DM and you get all kinds on Encounters night. If they don't like it they can go fly a kite.
Building a character for the specific purpose of exploiting a tactic that doesn't make fictional sense is lame. That kind of character has no character at all. I could really give a rats fart if you are doing you max DPR. I have no interest in adjudicating that kind of game, which is why I play 5e, not 4e.

I don't think it's so much lame as it is a failure to understand that players have no control over which rules are applied to resolve a given fictional action. That is firmly in the role of the DM. There can therefore be no exploiting that the DM does not him or herself allow. Players used to another paradigm might not realize this however.

As to the comparison of editions, I don't believe it's an issue of rules sets. Rather, it's an issue of mindsets. D&D 4e DMs had as much power to adjudicate as they like as in any other edition of the game including D&D 5e. It's just that many did not engage with the game in that fashion and I guess the ones in your experience didn't, which left you with a bad taste for the game. Comparison of editions, which can be quite inflammatory on game forums, isn't necessary to make your point in any case.
 

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Look up "Pennsic War Field Battle" on Youtube and you will see hundreds of hobbyists fighing very effectively with polearms from the second rank, including butt spikes to the face. While they are using wooden weapons, they are a close approximation for actual weapons and they hit full force with legal target area being anything above the knee.

If you have a more specific example, then give me a link. Not going to wade through a bunch of LARPing vids to try and make your point for you.
 

The errata posted yesterday says the enemy needs to see you clearly. That is a fact you are choosing to ignore. Being obscured by an ally allows you to hide. The rules are crystal clear after yesterdays errata.

So he clearly sees you ATTEMPT to hide by going behind your ally. Now, even though another halfling racial ability allows you to move through medium creatures' legs, he no longer has line of sight on you. Okay fine. But he KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE whether he can see you or not. Your attempt to hide is a fail. It's perfectly reasonable for me to rule that way because it follows the fiction. You are not going to be able to surprise him with a sneaky bowshot. That is abusing the system and the spirit of the sneak attack rule. Don't accuse me of violating RAW and then defend violation of RAI.
It is NOT "generally accepted" that this mechanic works the way you describe it 100% of the time. MM specifically stated in that tweet that the INTENT was to let the DM decide.
 

How would having another person standing between you affected his thrusts?

Substantially, I'm sure, but probably less so than for someone on the other side, without a weapon with a long reach. And not nearly as much as if one assumes wide arcs and hacking movements.
 

So he clearly sees you ATTEMPT to hide by going behind your ally. Now, even though another halfling racial ability allows you to move through medium creatures' legs, he no longer has line of sight on you. Okay fine. But he KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE whether he can see you or not. Your attempt to hide is a fail. It's perfectly reasonable for me to rule that way because it follows the fiction. You are not going to be able to surprise him with a sneaky bowshot. That is abusing the system and the spirit of the sneak attack rule. Don't accuse me of violating RAW and then defend violation of RAI.
It is NOT "generally accepted" that this mechanic works the way you describe it 100% of the time. MM specifically stated in that tweet that the INTENT was to let the DM decide.

1. It says nothing about moving through their legs, it simply says you can attempt to hide when obscured only by a creature at least one size larger than you. Obscured means the creature is between you and the creature you are hiding from.

2. He does know where you are. He can target your assumed location if he wants, taking the relevant penalties (i.e. cover bonus). Or use an AOE attack. Or move such that you are visible (moving around the interposed creature).

3. If you pop out to try to attack him, you are now visible. As per MM tweet "Could a rogue hidden behind cover run to a target & Sneak Attack; are they hidden until after attacking or after leaving cover? hidden until leave, but Adam might rule creature is distracted -M Rogue Hides behind tree. Ogre can't see him. Leans out, shoots ogre, returns. Advantage on attack? Sneak attack? Same next turn? I would say advantage on attack, disadvantage on check to hide again. -M"

4. Step 3 is where the DM ruling comes into play. Not allowing the rogue to use his race feature to even hide I would call a definite houserule as it clearly contradicts RAW. The fact that you do this in Encounters is a tad worrisome as I expect sanctioned play to be RAW whenever possible.
 

The errata posted yesterday says the enemy needs to see you clearly. That is a fact you are choosing to ignore. Being obscured by an ally allows you to hide. The rules are crystal clear after yesterdays errata.

That hilarious because to me the errata proves my point, not yours. In fact, when I first read it I praised Jesus for an end to all the argument.

I'll paste it here exactly so we can examine it.

"Hiding (p. 177). The DM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding. Also, the question isn’t whether a creature can see you when you’re hiding. The question is whether it can see you clearly."

So 1) read the first sentence.
2) read that first sentence again so you understand it.
3) read it one more time.

Now if YOU want to rule that a light foot halfling can hide behind a human when an Orc can CLEARLY see them doing it, more power too you, DM. That first sentence lets you do so.
But I think you are doing that based on some bad assumptions. One is that being behind the human is equal to being heavily obscured. Since the rules state that heavy foliage constitutes heavily obscured, I can see where you are getting that, but the wording refers to an area, not a creature. A creature can't be heavily obscured, and that human you are hiding behind is not heavily obscuring the entire area so much so that the Orc is effectively blinded.
The Orc can still see you as you move to your position behind the human.
Now looking at page 176(I've a feeling you have not read this page despite my numerous appeals) it says that "until you are discovered" your stealth check is opposed the wisdom perception check of any creature actively searching for "signs of your presence". A good "sign of your presence" would be the face that they just CLEARLY saw you go behind the human. At this point, before you have even rolled you stealth check, you have been "discovered".
The second paragraph in addition to the oft quoted "you can't hide from a creature who can see you" the same sentence goes on to say "if you make any noise you give away your position." My take on that is that if you have given away your position, then you have been detected and thus you are not hiding. Just as in the Monte Python video, although you may not be "SEEN" that Orc KNOWS you position. He is not that stupid (and hopefully neither are the DMs judging these situations).
Now the very last sentence in that green box (still on page 177 of your players handbook... Stay with me now) is that "one of the main factors in determining whether you (in our example, the Orc) can find a hidden creature or object is how well you can see in an area, which might be lightly or heavily obscured"
Here's the thing. The Orc saw you go behind the human, or he saw you pop out and shoot at him last round. Thus you are not a "hidden creature" and no check is called for. You are a creature whose position is known to the Orc.

The reason for the errata is to both codify the Mike Mearls tweet that it is ultimately the DMs call (part 1) and to clarify that IF the environment offer something like fog or light rain, or dim light, then we have a question of whether or not the Orc could CLEARLY see you move behind the human, or pop out to fire a bolt and pop back. That is the ONLY CIRCUMSTANCE where you would be able to hide from someone who can already see you. In the cold light of day your chances are ZERO. the errata backs me up on this, it does not refute it.
 
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The fact that you do this in Encounters is a tad worrisome as I expect sanctioned play to be RAW whenever possible.

Feel free to contact the proper authorities and have me removed from Wednesday nights at my FLGS. There is a line a mile long of potential DMs chomping at the bit to have my table (not). If the AL needs a good rules lawyer to try my case I assume they have your number.
 

"...the question isn't whether a creature can see you when you're hiding. The question is whether is can see you clearly."

Read above sentence. Read it again. Read it a third time.

Now tell me that a Halfling who is obscured can be seen clearly. Here is where you are wrong.

Here is the definition of Obscure:

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a : dark, dim

b : shrouded in or hidden by darkness

c : not clearly seen or easily distinguished : faint <obscure markings>

Not sure how else any rational person would interpret that differently. But if you want to interpret an obscured creature as being seen clearly, go right ahead.

I am done with this thread as no amount of reason will matter. Buh bye.
 

I highly doubt you read my entire reasoning or that you can follow a logical argument. You ignore almost all of it and focus on the part that I said was inapplicable with a definition of obscure pulled fro who knows where. Buh bye and good riddance.
 

Substantially, I'm sure, but probably less so than for someone on the other side, without a weapon with a long reach. And not nearly as much as if one assumes wide arcs and hacking movements.

So as I said, I would apply disadvantage in certain situations like this, and one of the things I would take into consideration for making that call is whether they were wielding a pole axe or a spear.
Just like with any weapon, there are going to be advantages and disadvantages. Otherwise everyone would use a polearm.
 

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