D&D 5E Can I use spell slots to cast Shadow Arts spells?

ECMO3

Hero
Shadow Monk Shadow Arts:

Starting when you choose this tradition at 3rd level, you can use your ki to duplicate the effects of certain spells. As an action, you can spend 2 ki points to cast Darkness, Darkvision, Pass without Trace or Silence, without providing material components. Additionally, you gain the Minor Illusion cantrip if you don't already know it.

If I have 2nd level spell slots form another class, can I use them to cast these spells. Under a strict interpretation of RAW I think the answer is no.
 

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DND_Reborn

The High Aldwin
No.

However, the recent design move by WotC in Tasha's and other books is to allow you to use slots to cast spells you know or have prepared through other features.

For example:
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So, I would certainly allow it given the direction the game is moving.
 

No. Not even post Tasha's, which lets you cast spells with slots if you know those spells.

The monk does not know any spells. They can "duplicate the effects of" certain spells.
 



Shadow Monk Shadow Arts:

Starting when you choose this tradition at 3rd level, you can use your ki to duplicate the effects of certain spells. As an action, you can spend 2 ki points to cast Darkness, Darkvision, Pass without Trace or Silence, without providing material components. Additionally, you gain the Minor Illusion cantrip if you don't already know it.

If I have 2nd level spell slots form another class, can I use them to cast these spells. Under a strict interpretation of RAW I think the answer is no.
Per RAW, no.

Depending on backstory, ask your DM. If your character is a monk/sorcerer, I could be persuaded.
 

Definitely not RAW, and probably not RAI. However, it's unlikely this will break anything and it doesn't hurt to ask your DM (if it does, find a new DM immediately).
 

ECMO3

Hero
Per RAW, no.

Depending on backstory, ask your DM. If your character is a monk/sorcerer, I could be persuaded.
Character is in fact a Monk(Shadow)-Sorcerer(Shadow)-Ranger(Gloomstalker) currently 6/1/3, soon to be 6/1/4 at which point she will have 2nd level slots but no 2nd level spells and none of her 1st level spells upcast well (shield, silvery barbs, Absorb Elements, Goodberry, Ensnaring Strike, Speak with animals, Disguise self)

The DM and game are pretty strict RAW so I don't think he will let me.

My character has an 18 Dex, 16 Wisdom, 13 Charisma. I was going to take a dex ASI next level but maybe I could take shadow touched to pick up invisibility and cause fear. Cause fear does upcast quite well. I will be a little bit behind on dex if I did that, but it would set me up for either another Wisdom half feat or a Wis-Chr ASI at Monk 8.
 



ECMO3

Hero
How do you have second level slots without knowledge of second level spells?
My caster level is (will be) 3. Using the multiclass rules - Sorcerer levels + 1/2 Ranger levels --> 1+1/2(4) =1+2=3

So I have the same number of slots as a 3rd level full caster, which is 4 1st level, 2 2nd level.

Spells known are 2-1st level Sorcerer Spells (Shield, Silvery barbs) and 3-1st level Ranger spells (Goodberry, Ensnaring Strike, Absorb Elements), plus I also get Speak with Animals and Disguise Self through Primal Awareness and Gloomstalker.
 

You neither know nor have those spells prepared, so by RAW you can't cast them.

Ignoring RAW, I personally would be hesitant allowing it even beyond that, as I feel like the idea is more that your shadowy monk skills duplicate the effects of these spells rather than that you are casting them or able to cast them in the conventional sense. I don't really like the idea that even a multiclassed shadow monk adds these spells to their general spellcasting. I love multi-classing, but I don't want it undermining the narratives the class abilities are trying to build more than it already does.

But balance-wise it hardly seems like an issue. Realistically you are probably burning through a lot of your spells slots to save some Ki on a Monk who is extra Ki starved due to multi-classing.
 


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