Can QttE be used while grappled?
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Mr.Binx
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It's entirely feasible and I am unable to find any hard evidence while referencing both the PHB and Song & Silence. I would guess that it could be described as feigning a weakness or pretending to be unconcious. It appears that you would, however, still have to make a successful grapple check to perform the Sneak Attack with your dagger.
Dwarmaj said:
The PHB lists what you can do when grappled:
- Damage your opponent with an unarmed attack
- Attempt to pin
- Make an attack with a light weapon
- Cast a spell (severe restrictions)
- Wriggle free.
Mr.Binx
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The PHB does indeed state that there are a few other actions that can be attempted while grappled and then goes onto list various actions. Nowhere does it say that those actions listed are the only ones that can be performed. You have to remember that the PHB was published long before Song & Silence came out.
Mr.Binx said:
The PHB doesn't state that you can take a standard action while grappled. In fact, if you could, grappling would be rather pointless. A move-equivalent action is part of a standard action (it replaces the move portion of the standard action), and hence you can't take ME actions while grappled either. Using QttE requires a ME action, and since you can't take ME actions, you can't use QttE.
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With that line of thought, can you draw a light weapon in order to attack with it while grappled? If no, what if drawing was a free action from Quick Draw? What if it was a free action from a Glove of Storing?
I would say it's more accurate to say what can't be done while grappling:
1. Make attacks with non-light weapons.
2. Attack targets not grappling with you.
3. Use your move action to move your speed.
4. Cast spells with Somatic components.
When you're pinned, the only action you can take is an attempt to escape, or break the pin. That's my take on it, anyways.
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I would say it's more accurate to say what can't be done while grappling:
1. Make attacks with non-light weapons.
2. Attack targets not grappling with you.
3. Use your move action to move your speed.
4. Cast spells with Somatic components.
When you're pinned, the only action you can take is an attempt to escape, or break the pin. That's my take on it, anyways.
-nameless
Mr.Binx
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You can bluff with any part of your body, not just your mouth. If you can cast a spell while grappled then why not bluff? I do think it's a bit goofy to let someone get away with repeatedly bluffing every round without having the player describe what it is he is doing to bluff the opponent. Bluffing the same opponent repeatedly should have some type of negative adjustment unless the player's useage of it is really brilliant, IMHO. Of course, as always, the DM is always the final arbitrator of any argument. 
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You can only cast a spell with no somatic components, and if you have any focus or material components in hand. These are pretty big limitations. As for bluffing, you not only need to make whatever actions are necessary, but also get your opponent's attention. In a grapple, your opponent may well be too busy to pay attention to your bluff.Mr.Binx said:
True, but irrelevant. The point is that by the book, you don't have an opportunity to bluff.Of course, as always, the DM is always the final arbitrator of any argument.
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