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[jaelis]

* Attack with combat advantage.

I don't think that part is correct. You only get CA if your opponent is unaware of you, and if your opponent just saw you duck behind a rock, then I think he would be aware of you even if he can't see you at the moment.

Now if you took another action to change positions and remained hidden, then you would get CA.

 

[Contents May Vary]

Ok, so the rule is:

"You do not gain Combat Advantage" from stealth unless the target has not seen you in the square from which you are making your attack."

How does that sound?

Also, the RAW says "If you later attack or shout, you’re no longer
hidden" so it seems that you lose CA as soon as you attack...

 

[ForbidenMaster]

If you were in a position to hide (you have cover say) but for some reason haven't been hiding, then sure, you could hide as part of drawing your weapon. You just have to crouch down behind whatever is giving you cover, I don't see a problem with that.

But why have an arbitrary need for doing a completely random action as opposed to just hiding. Why isnt "hiding" considered an action that you are attempting to do stealthy? Why isnt "hiding" just a minor action, or some other action?

 

[ForbidenMaster]

Ok, so the rule is:

"You do not gain Combat Advantage" from stealth unless the target did not see you move to the square from which you are making your attack."

How does that sound?

Also, the RAW says "If you later attack or shout, you’re no longer
hidden" so it seems that you lose CA as soon as you attack...

Thats how I have been ruling.

 

[neobolts]

Also, the RAW says "If you later attack or shout, you’re no longer
hidden" so it seems that you lose CA as soon as you attack...

Or "you lose as soon as your attack action has occurred." The attack still has the benefit of CA, but ends the CA.

 

[Contents May Vary]

Ok, that seems clear enough now.

Thanks, all.

 

[jaelis]

But why have an arbitrary need for doing a completely random action as opposed to just hiding. Why isnt "hiding" considered an action that you are attempting to do stealthy? Why isnt "hiding" just a minor action, or some other action?

It doesn't have to be a random action. If you're in a square where you could hide but you just haven't chosen to do so up to now, I don't see why you couldn't hide as a free action. If you want to be specific, the free action could be "change my position within my current square," and you make a stealth check as part of that action.

 

[Contents May Vary]

Since "Drop Prone" is a minor action, I'd be inclined to rule that hiding should be at minimum a minor action.

 

[vagabundo]

Since "Drop Prone" is a minor action, I'd be inclined to rule that hiding should be at minimum a minor action.

Hiding isn't an action it is a condition, hidden, it means that creatures are unaware of your current position and cannot see you.

But, just because they cannot see you (because of cover) does not mean they are unaware of your position. So the hiding in plain sight does not work.

However sneaking around the edge of the cave while they are distracted allows you take a hide check at -5, if you just saunter around the cave without trying to hide they are aware of you doing this, they are plainly watching you do this. You then sqeeze your eyes together and drop a small pebble, believing you are hiding does not make them any less aware of your presence. Or just walking behind a stalagmite, still wont do it: "We know your there, come out little man".

However walking to the stalagmite and then using a move (or crawl) at -5 to sneak in the shadows further around the cave would work, as they still think you are behind the stalagmite.

***dont have my PHB with me in work today, so these are just common sense and from memory.***

 

[Nytmare]

I thought it was that you would have to move from a place where you have cover, while maintaining cover, to a new space with cover and make the move/stealth/perception roll? If they see you, and see you walk across barren ground to a space with cover, they know where you are.

Unless a creature is distracted, you must have cover against or concealment from the creature to make a Stealth check. You have to maintain cover or concealment to remain unnoticed. If a creature has unblocked line of sight to you (that is, you lack any cover or concealment), the creature automatically sees you (no Perception check required).

So it would be:

Move under cover with a stealth/perception check.
If successful, attack with a stealth/perception check.
If successful, they know where you are, but you had combat advantage.