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bushfire said:
...it it didn't looked very "packed with information" , wide margins, lots of white space, etc. But the real stopper was the cost - $35 dollars. Sure I know it was written by EGG and all, but $35 bucks seemed a lot more than the content was worth. And a lot more than I am willing to spend on a book just because of who authored it.

You opened the book, looked at the layout, then judged the book's *content* based on those observations? For shame! Read the damn material before making comment, please, else your opinion is worth nothing.

The price is not unreasonable for a hardbound book, and personally, I'm sick of so many thick, 8-point font books containing tons of material that could have been written in a concise fashion in less space. Quality does not equal text density. Sheesh. :rolleyes:
 
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On the Subject of Pricing

Hey all and hello,

Foremost, thanks for the rapid defense Hal and Nathan and thanks for the all the kind words everyone else.

I knew the question of text density, pricing and spacing would all come up, so I'm here to chime in my own 2 cents worth. As the publisher, and personally, as the one who made the final decision on the pricing, this is all on me. :rolleyes:

As for pricing, it is right on par with other books of a similar size that DON'T have maps in them. If we had left out the double sided 16 x 21 map we could have easiliy priced the puppy at $29.95, which would make the page count/price point about equal to everyone else out there. But, well hell, that didn't make any sense. Even putting the map inside the text didn't really make sense as you couldn't use it for any practical purpose. As it is now, you have a full map for your gaming needs. All your setting needs is a river and the city of Ludnum is good to go.

I'm not going to address text density too much as that is a personal thing. I know that some reviewers and gamers have come to recognize a densely packed page as being essential to a products' value, but I for one don't really follow this. Each book's contents and formatting should be judged separately and the contents have little to do with how much is on a page. But as ma always said, to each his own.

And just to let you know, there are no "white spaces" in all of the Canting Crew......the pages are tinted... :eek: :D just kidding.

Steve
 

Steve, in Nation Building could you tint the pages grass green on the left side, shading over to leaf green on the right? With a band of blue down the middle. (That was a spoiler folks.:))

BTW, you still have my name spelled wrong. Two "g"s in Kellogg, bub.

:D
 

:rolleyes: Green Shmeen, it'll be tinted like CC! :D

Here's an interesting sidenote. The Canting Crew is a smidge shorter than the Codex of Erde. This is because our printer uses a different size paper for tinted pages! :p

Steve
 

I like the Canting Crew, for the most part.

2 suggestions:

1) Use a smaller font. At best this is a 144 page book.

2) Contract Gary to expand on the Cant section and release it as a $10-15 paperback book or a mini-language dictionary. That was by far the neatest section to me. Very intuitive to learn, so far.
 

Enrious,

Thanks for the kind words. Actually we are considering coming out with a pocket sized dictionary with the Cant in it. Personally, what I would like Gary to do is expand the Cant so that more usable verbs would be in there so that you can quickly build whole sentences. THe pocket dictionary would be, like you said, $10 or so dollars.

We were under a time crunch on Heart of Glass, but I really wanted to turn alot of the language into Cant. Its pretty cool.

We've started using it in our wensday night games here at the Troll Dens, but Chris keeps giving everything a Scottish accent, it promptly spread through the group so that most Role Playing is now done as if we were Scotts. Its driving me crazy.

Steve:D
 

steaming

I just don't understand the trend that has grown in the last two years where reviewers and critics are basing purchasing decisions on price per page and layout choices. This seems to be happening in the comic field as well, as I have seen numerous debates on whether someone should buy a monthly, the hardcover, or the softcover version of some comic arc.

Either the book is worth it to you for its content, or it is not. Some people, *gasp*, actually prefer larger fonts. That is my one gripe with the corebooks -- too. hard. to. read. period. If $35.00 is more than you are willing to spend on a book, that is find. But let's have reviews based on content, not appearances.

Think about it. When Stephen Hawking published a short little book titled "A Brief History of Time," did the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, or Newsweek complain about its length, cover art, typeface, etc.... No. They focused on the ideas and the substance of the work.

Enough venting.

One thing I did want to point out about the Canting Crew is that the large fold map has an awesome "birds-eye" view of the city of Ludnum that provides great game room wall covering and could be used for any number of cities. I wish someone would just do a book of maps like that!

the Gaffer
"Snotling Lover"
 

Response to page count and rant

Well, to answer this question direclty, I think it's because there are publishers out there who for better or worse tend to play with font sizes and other areas to appear to have a larger book. In some cases, I agree with you that hey, if it's worth it, it's worth it regardless of how many pages per dollar it works out to be, but page length is one indicator because if I see a 200 page book, I may think that there are going to be some useful sections. If it turns out that this could've been a 120 page book then there are some serious probelms that potential buyers need to know about.

As far as the "birds-eye" view of the city, very nice but... I thought one of the main selling points of this was that it was a generic city. There are turning out to be several things I really don't like about Canting Crew.

No offense to the Trolls or Gary but that whole Legendary stuffwas for me at least, 16 wasted pages. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think that it's Legendary that's selling the book. It's Gary doing a D20 product. I'm really hoping that Mongoose doesn't put a chapter of Legendary stuff in their book.

I also hate the dolalr system. Completely useless and requires flipping back and forth to determine if Gary means gold, copper, pieces, pounds. Heck, it's not even used everywhere. City gate taxes are 1 copper piece. Great use the standard fantasy here don't flip to dollars. Many tables are generally useless. Tables like 1-2,1-3,1-4. Consuemr goods with no details. Trade goods with no details. I could throw together tables like this from the 2nd or 1st edition DMG.

Several maps have no grids and in the miniature heavy D&D this makes them pretty, but useless. Lots of terminology thrown around with no examples. FOr example, under city architecture, what does it mean medieval? How about Greco-Roamn? How about Gothic or modern Roman?

The whole thing on Afterward: On the Incidence of Magic was very weak. And what the hell is "mental powers"? Some effort to note psionics could have been made very easily here. It's in the gentlemen's agreement right?

I loved the Jargon of the Canting Crew but the examples in the book are way too heavy in it's use. "My bone's fogged wigglers, tib of the buttery, bushdroppings in a bag, and a sneak of whet for wash." Yeah, okay, that's not more annoying than the Cant from Planescape! :-)

The signals were also good. Easy to understand and use. The signs and symbols were great. Easy to use and understand.

D20 Cant still looking over but I am weary of one thing from multiple publishers. Generic unfitting prestige class names. No one works for years to become a henchman. Bravo perhaps but not a bravo hencheman. And repeating both names every time the name was used was also annoying. Some of these will be perfect for NPCS like Counterfeit and Trademaster. Don't know about the way the Preferred Opponent works for the Pacer though. Observed for 3 turns and even when he has multiple opponents he only has the bonus versuss the target being studied?

The Appendixes, especially B, were great. I was pleased that C has a regular cost instead of talking about how povery level is $14,000 a year and how this job pays $4,000 a year etc...

Don't take this as a regular review (which I'll probably work on after Bluffside and What Evil Lurks) just some random thoughts.
 
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Kudos!

Joe,

Thanks! If you have an even more in depth review coming, I look forward to reading it after that preview. In fact, I will be looking for your reviews from now on -- are they usually posted here on EN World?

Anyway, thanks again for backing up your points with reasons. Whether I agree or disagree, this type of solid review gives me an idea of what is in the book, and whether my use or gaming needs might differ from the reviewers in certain aspects.

Snotling Lover
 

Howdy!

I have purchased _The Canting Crew_. I have not had time to read it, but hope to do so in the coming weeks. I just wanted to say that I am interested in both the Lejendary Adventure and d20 material in the book. I am looking forward to more books like this.

Mike
 

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