Challenge: Making the worst 20th-level character

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

As far as I understand, the benefits of the VoP depend on HOW EARLY YOU TAKE THE VOW.

IOW - if we can take the vow at 20th level, it will give very few benefits.

No - the text of VoP specifically says that you get all the retroactive benefits.

 

[Simplicity]

Metamagic feats work great for any character...
I like the idea of the were-orca... Still seems like a pretty strong meatslab though...
(I mean all of these guys are doing no damage, so he's doing no damage but has hp...)

 

[Simplicity]

No - the text of VoP specifically says that you get all the retroactive benefits.

That's what I thought. Otherwise it would be totally non-viable at later levels.

 

[Saeviomagy]

No - the text of VoP specifically says that you get all the retroactive benefits.

Isn't it the one where you want to get into it as soon as possible because otherwise you lose out?

Or is it just that you lose out on bonus feats or something...

 

[Simplicity]

Or you could take all the Vows and then break them all...

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

Why average HP for a non-average character? It's always been an annoyance of mine that D&D allows you to select a barbarian class, and then hangs you out to dry if you roll a 1 for your hit points. Oh sure, your DM would have to be a jerk to force you to keep that 1, but why does D&D force the DM to break its rules like that?

(Ot, it sounds like you both support & condemn average hps?)

 

[Simplicity]

(Ot, it sounds like you both support & condemn average hps?)

I support it as a rule change, but the thread uses the current rules...

 

[wuyanei]

Top THIS -- 20th level, 28 point buy with a 50% chance of losing to a 1st level commoner!

Name: Ian 'the Loser' Ignoramus
Race, Gender, Age: gnome, male, middle aged,
Languages: Common, Gnome, Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Giant, Goblin, Orc
Level: 1 commoner / 1 ex-cleric / 1 ex-druid / 1 shaman / 1 monk / 1 psychic warrior / 1 aristocrat / 1 scout / 1 healer / 1 rogue / 1 expert / 1 adept / 1 spirit shaman / 1 spelltheif / 1 diviner (illusion) / 1 psion / 1 wu jen / 1 assassin / 1 wildmage / 1 ur-priest
Hit Points: 4 +8d8 +8d6 +3d4 (75-20 hp)
Ability Scores: Str 5(-3); Dex 11(+0); Con 11(+0); Int 9(-1); Wis 9(-1); Chr 24(+7);
Initiative: +0 (+0 Dex)
Size/Speed: Small/20 ft.
AC: 11 (+1 Size, +0 Dex)
Base Attack Bonus: +0 -3 Str
Grapple Bonus: -7 (-4 Size, -3 Str)
Attack: 'the Wet Noodle' -8 -4 (negative levels)
Full Attack: 'the Wet Noodle' -12-4, -16-4 (off hand)
Damage: 1-3 subdual, 1-3 subdual (off hand)
Face/Reach 5 ft. / 5 ft.
Special Attacks: Sneak Attack +2d6;
Special Qualities: Gnome traits;
Spell-like: 1/day: speak with animals (burrowing mammal only)
Spells: : / / / []
Saves (F/R/W): +/+/+
Feats: VoP -- broken; VoA -- broken; ExWpnProf (any except
Cat-o-nine-tails); SpFcs(any); Extra Turning; Any divine feats;
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Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Description: 28 point buy and STILL a total loser.
Total Wealth: 760,000 gp
Weapon: 'the Wet Noodle': +1 Tiny-sized Holy Axiomatic Undead-bane Brilliant Energy Cat-o-nine-tails (2 x 200000 gp).
Armor: none
Misc: Amulet of the planes (120,000 gp); Iron flask (170,000), Pearl of power, two spells (70000 gp)

 

[Gez]

Have you calculated his saves (again, not using fractional varieties, to maintain consistency)? Should be pretty astronomical, with all those +2's in there.

On the other hand, you can use a lot of magic items, sure. And your save will be outrageously good. So, at least, you'll be enduring. But wholly ineffectual.

 

[Ballard_Alvar]

20th level commoner, all ability scores at 3.

the challenge was to be out of the phb. commoners are in the dmg. I would say 20th level elven Wizard 20
using 28 pt buy str 15, Dex 13, Con 6, Int 11, Wisdom 19, Cha 11
With Max HP he has 63. Weapon Focus Club, Toughness, Endurance, Light Armor Prof., Med. Armor Prof, Heavy Armor Prof.
8 15
8 10 +2 +1
8 08 -2
8 10 +1
8 17 +2
8 10 +1

This character's best attack is melee. Go ahead, I dare anone to take a 20th level melee character into play with 63 hp. his attack (non magical) is only +13. --just a thought