Changes to Devils and Demons

[avin]

What happened to the Blood War?

Please... please... please...

just don't mess with Yugoloths...

What's next? Vampire Lich Lady of Pain ?

 

[WhatGravitas]

B) Pit fiends have two forms: A very human one, with only a few diabolic traits, and the standard pit fiend form, which erupts when they grow angry or violent.

Or... when they get wounded!

But I'm going to miss my erinyes, because they've hit a sweet spot for me (much more than the succubi).

Cheers, LT.

 

[hong]

Count my vote for another one who's not happy with combining succibi and eryines. I'm indifferent on the other changes (thought probably would have prefered not messing with the devil fluff). My biggest concern isn't the combination in a vacuum, but instead about how many other changes are made which I think suck. This is the first fact about 4E which I 100% don't like, but based on it, I can infer that there will be many changes to monsters which simply don't make sense to long time players.

I'm a long-time player and the changes make sense to me. But then I was never one for the implied setting as it exists currently and in previous editions (a reason I always preferred to roll my own worlds, or hassle DMs to let me use homebrew stuff). All these changes so far have been moving the implied setting closer to what I would use, which is great.

 

[hong]

Hong and I are in agreement yet again; from this representative sample I conclude those of us in the statistical sciences have the same gaming preferences at the 0.01 significance level.

Watch it mang, my standard deviation is bigger than yours.

 

[RangerWickett]

... personally offensive. They're alike only in that they're "hot females" - does this mean the new writing team thinks one "hot female" is interchangeable with the other?

They're getting rid of gnomes. They must think all short people are interchangeable too, calling them all 'halflings!' I for one am enraged.



I like this change.

 

[Blair Goatsblood]

I think it's safe to say this edition is not aimed at people for whom the decades of fluff are a priority.

*high five*

 

[coyote6]

As for alignment, the word from the GenCon seminar was that it would exist, but not as we know it, and would no real mechanical impact on the game.

Death to alignment!

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

Another thought... I like the way that the devils were sentenced to imprisonment in the Nine Hells not because they lost their coup, but because they won it.

 

[Andor]

I like it. It feels more mythic to me. The blood war and the great wheel never did make a whole lot of sense to me, and I'm a planescape fan.

Hopefully along with these changes they'll also change Angelic/Demonic DRs so that they aren't completely worthless against their chosen enemies. :\

 

[Blair Goatsblood]

To be honest, I am pretty sure I saw him post in several threads that he has no interest whatsoever in D&D, but 4E may be to his liking. In other words, he is cheering for WotC to basically kill whatever it is that makes the essence of D&D and publish a totally new RPG under the banner.

I never really found the fluff, planes, etc. part of the essence of D&D. To me that stuff was l for folks that were REALLY into the "Dungeons & Dragons Official Backstory." The type that would read the novels, were interested in the offical line on "where the d&d world came from", "how did mimics evolve", etc.

The majority of people I play D&D with know nothing about the blood war, or sigil, or even have a clear idea of the planes cosmology. And, for me, as a long time D&D player and DM, and I don't want the responsibility of keeping up with canon. I don't want to read additional books to be informed about metaphysical politics & history.

IMC Demons are from "The Outer Dark" and Devils...I don't use Devils. Slaad yes, Devils no. The Planes? Different religions cults say different things...but the characters? Heck, even when it is their business to travel to other planes it's to kill things, take their stuff, and enjoy the scenery.