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I was pleased and as far as adaptations go it was very well done. Not a big fan of the books (Herbert has better stuff) but the story told is very good.

Also missed the eyes but can understand the change, must have been hell to do!
 

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Hand of Evil said:
Not a big fan of the books (Herbert has better stuff)

Like what? I remember really digging the Bureau of Sabotage books {Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment}, but I haven't read them since I was in high school...
 

Mallus said:


Like what? I remember really digging the Bureau of Sabotage books {Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment}, but I haven't read them since I was in high school...

Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment to me are better books but Godmakers, for a short book, was impressive. Oh, Destination Void, great SF.
 
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My favorites of Herbert's were The Jesus Effect and the Lazarus Experiment. They were co-written with a poet, and were wonderful, only the third book was finished after Herbert's death, and did not have the same weight to it.
 

i dunno. i've only read the first book, but i wasn't impressed at all with part one. the filters seemed overdone, the CG designs were only marginally inspired, and their look was very disappointing. the acting was decent for the most part, but overdone at times, which i suppose was to be expected given the material.

i thought the capture of the worm was laughable at best. it made the worm look pathetic and inept. like Dagger75 said, it should have just dove under the sands, or even slithered off the platform once it was clear of the "trap." very very disappointing.

now all that said, of course i will be watching tonite's installment (At 11 after Miracles). i really hope it improves.

~NegZ
 


Skade said:
I love Alia. Roar.

I was pretty happy with it, and did not have the reservations I had about the first miniseries. Susan Sarandon was actually quite good as a villainess. Looking forward to tomorrow night.

I too rather like the portrayal of Alia... and the look of the actress.

As for Susan Sarandon, it seems to me like she overacts just a bit, and I'm having a hard time accepting her in this role.

In general, I am liking it so far. I only read to the third book in the series, and it's been a long time since...
 

They actually managed to make a decent piece of entertainment out of Dune Messiah, arguably the weakest (by far the weakest, IMO,) book in the series. The climax of part 1 had genuine tension and dramatic weight. Part 2 was not as strong, I think, but then, it leaves off in the middle of book 3, so it's not really fair to judge it just yet.

Almost everything is dramatically improved from the first miniseries, which I thought was generally lousy. The costumes are far better, though still not as good as those in the Lynch film, and still stupid-looking in places.

The acting in this one is, it seems to me, noticably better. It seemed that a lot of the key roles in the first miniseries (Thufir, Duncan, Yueh, Chani, Reverend Mother Mohiam) were played by random yokels picked up off the streets of Prague. The Reverend Mother was particularly preposterous, with ham-handed delivery and ridiculous headgear, and looking eerily like Shelley Duvall in a bad wig. A few roles were filled by "name" actors who either delivered flat performances (William Hurt) or provided a spectacular display of dramatic incompetence (Giancarlo Gianini.) The new Duncan is a lot better than the pigeon-chested little twerp they got for the first miniseries. Some will disagree, but I though Alec Newman did a pretty good job in the first series, at least once he stopped being a spoiled momma's boy and got out into the desert. He's at least as good in this second series, as a man haunted by what he's seen of the future. Ian McNeice was, IMO, one of the few highlights of the first miniseries, a much better Baron than Lynch's cackling, diseased lunatic, and his return is welcome here.

Alice Krige should have been Lady Jessica in the first miniseries. She is absolutely perfect for the role. Guerney Halleck's Cockney accent still grates on me, but at least P. H. Moriarty looks closer to the part this time around.

The sets and production design, though again not so good as that of the Lynch film, are noticably better. Gone are the grating painted backdrops that look like they came right out of your high school drama class' rendition of Lawrence of Arabia. The direction seems more focused and competent.

I think this production is much improved over the last one. I wish they could have done the first book this well. .
 

Assenpfeffer said:
A few roles were filled by "name" actors who either delivered flat performances (William Hurt) or provided a spectacular display of dramatic incompetence (Giancarlo Gianini.)

Alice Krige should have been Lady Jessica in the first miniseries. She is absolutely perfect for the role.

Yeah, but William Hurt is always flat. He works well for certain roles, but he is not a very good actor in my opinion. He only plays patronizing father figures with emotional problems well.

I was not so sure about Alice Krige when I saw she would have the role. Some of her past perfomrances have been less than perfect, and her work in Ghost Story left me seeing something not pretty when I see her.

Psion said:
As for Susan Sarandon, it seems to me like she overacts just a bit, and I'm having a hard time accepting her in this role.

I think a character like Wesencia has to overacted to an extent. This woman is a ball of rage, ambition and obsession only controlled by a think veil of Bene Gesserit training. She hates every aspect of her life, from her sisters defection, her exile on Salusa Secundus, her "weakling" son. Her emotional landscape,
covered by that veneer of calm can only be played by someone overdoing just a wee bit.

Edit: oops misquote. Sorry Psion and Assenpfeffer
 
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Skade said:
I think a character like Wesencia has to overacted to an extent. This woman is a ball of rage, ambition and obsession only controlled by a think veil of Bene Gesserit training. She hates every aspect of her life, from her sisters defection, her exile on Salusa Secundus, her "weakling" son. Her emotional landscape, covered by that veneer of calm can only be played by someone overdoing just a wee bit.

Misquote! Misquote! I was much more harsh on Sarandon than Alan was, but ended up deleting that part of my post. :)
 

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