Christian Persecution vs Persecuted Christians

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No, he explained Atwater's opinion.
Heh. Why not say the Southern Strategy is a opinion and didn't really happen while you're at it? The two quotes I gave you were from high up Republican strategists who worked for Nixon, Reagan, Bush sr. and worked with Bush jr. They explain how Republicans get votes from racists.

But if you're trying to reframe those into an opinion rather than fact, this is a waste of my time.
 

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This is the closest I could find in the space of 5 minutes...its Canadian Law which is probably exactly the same or at least extremely similar to Quebec's (I stand under correction).

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-430.html

Mischief in relation to cultural property

(4.2) Every one who commits mischief in relation to cultural property as defined in Article 1 of the Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict, done at The Hague on May 14, 1954, as set out in the schedule to the Cultural Property Export and Import Act,
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

By comparison, my expulsion is rather tame. Enjoy your Labour Camps.
You asked how I would punish them. Not what Canadian law was. Do not move the goal post.

I have no data, but If I had to hazard a guess, yes.
So would I, thus my position that black people would be more affected if your discriminating law was passed. That was part of my point.

Let me get this straight you're worried about the criminals' rights
They are still humans with rights even if you put a label on them in an attempt to dehumanize them.

you support governments
That is a strawman.

Liberals and Human Right activists will be the death of logic.
Oh, an ad hominem. Quality logic right there.

I think you should worry more about the change within and less about the blacks in South Africa.
I have this awesome ability called multitasking. Like in the exchange with you I talked about black people's rights and prisoner's rights. I'm that good.

Open your eyes.
They are. Your opinion about apartheid is pretty clear.

No one is really calling out Israel for its Apartheid policies because there is no money to be made from the Palestinians and their land...and USA supports them fully whether it is a democrat or republican party in power...same butt, different cheek.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
 

You asked how I would punish them. Not what Canadian law was. Do not move the goal post.

So you favour no punishment for damages to cultural property? Anything goes? Your only rebuttal being that expulsion = Labour Camps. :erm:

So would I, thus my position that black people would be more affected if your discriminating law was passed. That was part of my point.

Your point is meaningless if Education is free. One needs to further consider that whites constitute less than 10% of the population. A much more limiting factor is not education but wealth and connections. You're arguing the wrong point if you really care about the discrimination factor within politics. You cant see the forest for the trees.

They are still humans with rights even if you put a label on them in an attempt to dehumanize them.

Okay taking a page out of your Labour Camp Metaphors...we shouldn't even punish them or even provide a label for them, just let them back into society these poorly misunderstood humans.

They are. Your opinion about apartheid is pretty clear.

Which apartheid, the one ignored by the main stream media and Canada for the last 50 years or the one that ended in '94 and had Canadians passing sanctions? Painting people with a big brush is a messy business, you might find that paint splattering all over yourself.
 

So you favour no punishment for damages to cultural property? Anything goes?
Not exactly. I'm divided between protecting speech and protecting public good. Is there anyy optimal solution? Maybe not with the current justice system that is prevelent in the Western world.

Either way, I'm not too keen on the punitive aspect of justice. Not sure it produces much of anything aside from quenching the public's thirst for revenge.

Your only rebuttal being that expulsion = Labour Camps. :erm:
That was humor. An hyperbole.

Your point is meaningless if Education is free.
Whether it is free or not, the reality is that proportionally black people have less degrees than whites. A bigger proportion of them would be barred from running for office if your suggestion was to pass.

One needs to further consider that whites constitute less than 10% of the population.
And? Do they represent 10% of elected officials?

A much more limiting factor is not education but wealth and connections.
I never said wealth and connections aren't in play. Just that adding an arbitrary barrier to the mix creates more limitations for no good reason, and will affect non-whites disproportionally.

Okay taking a page out of your Labour Camp Metaphors...we shouldn't even punish them or even provide a label for them, just let them back into society these poorly misunderstood humans.
Finally! Your quoting me appropriately!

Which apartheid, the one ignored by the main stream media and Canada for the last 50 years or the one that ended in '94 and had Canadians passing sanctions? Painting people with a big brush is a messy business, you might find that paint splattering all over yourself.
You're talking about Israel? It has nothing to do with the current conversation. It is a distraction.

Also, what you're suggesting is ridiculus. As if I am allowed to critic something only if I critiqued everything else that needed to be critiqued.
 

Heh. Why not say the Southern Strategy is a opinion and didn't really happen while you're at it? The two quotes I gave you were from high up Republican strategists who worked for Nixon, Reagan, Bush sr. and worked with Bush jr. They explain how Republicans get votes from racists.
Yep.

Here are some relatively recent articles- from left & right wing sources- talking about the rise of the GOP's racist element. Many note the campaign of David Duke as a turning point with continuing ramifications:


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...er-klan-leader-reshaped-republican-grassroots
http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/30/david-duke-still-haunts-the-gop/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/opinion/a-refuge-for-racists.html?_r=1

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-gop-really-is-becoming-the-racist-party.html

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...nd-todays-gop-the-similarities-are-startling/
 
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For giggles, here's some stuff about Jimmy Carter's proposed voter reforms of 1977- which aimed for universal national registration- and why they weren't enacted:

http://www.newsweek.com/how-jimmy-carter-pioneered-electoral-reform-366846
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/opinion/03carter.html?_r=0
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/jimmy_carter_and_the_conservat057342.php

Note the GOP's embrace then abandonment of Carter's proposals & the main reason for that denial: universal registration was risky to the GOP's future because it would lead to increased registration of poor, minorities, and the like.
 


I suppose that fact that David switched from the Democrat party to the Republican party just to be able to run, and how he carried the white Democrat vote as well isn't truthy enough. Or how he was repudiated at every turn by the Republican party, and failed to win any elections except the special runoff to the Louisiana State House, the one he swapped parties to run in?

Yeah, a bunch of opinion pieces making vague and weasel worded accusations that Duke is somehow relevant to the Republican Party isn't exactly a bedrock foundation.
 

I suppose that fact that David switched from the Democrat party to the Republican party just to be able to run,
DA did mention that this is considered a tuning point in the republican party. Still, Duke switched over to the republican party for a reason. He believed that he could win as a republican. Something made him think that.

and how he carried the white Democrat vote as well isn't truthy enough.
How does that take away from republicans having a racist element in their party?
Or how he was repudiated at every turn by the Republican party, and failed to win any elections except the special runoff to the Louisiana State House, the one he swapped parties to run in?
He still managed to win an election. There are plenty of republicans that don't win any elections.

Yeah, a bunch of opinion pieces making vague and weasel worded accusations that Duke is somehow relevant to the Republican Party isn't exactly a bedrock foundation.
So dismissive. Those articles also contain factual information, such as the donors that have ties to racist groups and who they contributed money to. The Trump articles also point out how there wasn't any real reaction from republicans when Trump accused all Mexicans of being criminals, drug traffickers, and rapists. Hell, there was a barely there reaction when he went after McCain.
 

DA did mention that this is considered a tuning point in the republican party. Still, Duke switched over to the republican party for a reason. He believed that he could win as a republican. Something made him think that.
Yes, the race was open to Republicans. He couldn't win as a Democrat not because he wouldn't get votes or that only Republicans would vote for a racist, but because it was an opportunity open to Republicans at the time.

]How does that take away from republicans having a racist element in their party?
It doesn't. If that's the argument -- that there are racists in the Republican party, then I can agree and we can be done: there are racists in the Republican party. If the argument is that some racists have had high positions, then we can agree and be done: there have been some racists holding high positions in the Republican party. I find neither of those statement objectionable or arguable.

My argument is that the party isn't racist because of that. To whit, I offer the counter observations that the Democrat party has racist elements, and that racists have held high positions in the Democrat party.

He still managed to win an election. There are plenty of republicans that don't win any elections.
He never one another one, and I'm not arguing that he didn't win an election. There's a 2 year old mayor of a town out there right now, so that's a benchmark of low quality. He won a special election to a state house, and lost it promptly the next election with stiff opprobrium from the party. Hardly a case of him being a solid representative of the Republican party as a whole.

So dismissive. Those articles also contain factual information, such as the donors that have ties to racist groups and who they contributed money to.
Yes, and he even lampshaded that particular argument quite well by pointing out that it's guilt by association before he went on and made the guilt by association argument. Very well done, rhetorically, except that pointing out it's a bad argument before going on an making that argument doesn't magically absolve you of making a bad argument.

The Trump articles also point out how there wasn't any real reaction from republicans when Trump accused all Mexicans of being criminals, drug traffickers, and rapists. Hell, there was a barely there reaction when he went after McCain.
Really? It was talked about widely in the media, and many of the other candidates specifically called it out as racist. A trivial google search turns up loads of hits on this. Here's one.
 

My argument is that the party isn't racist because of that.
What proof or signs of a party being racist or is cattering to racists would you accept? Explicite policies in the party's platform can't be one of them, as a mainstream party would avoid such explicite policies so it couldn't be easily labelled racist in the current era of PCism.
 

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