Claifying some Arcane Archer abilities

[Riveneye]

In my last game, I found myself in a couple of tight spots and tried to do a few 'tricky' things. My DM didn't allow them in the end, but I just want to know for future reference if I can actually pull these things off, or if my literal interpretation of these rules was just wishful thinking

1) Is the Hail of Arrows ability a full round action? The description says:

"Hail of Arrows: In lieu of her regular attacks..."

Now, does this mean I have the ability to move as well as use this ability, in the same round? I actually had an extra partial action from haste, so I was trying to move (out of danger) then fire.

2) Do you have to physically see your target when firing a Seeker Arrow? The description says:

"Seeker Arrow: At 4th level, the arcane archer can launch an arrow once per day at a target known to her within range..."

Now, to me, this says I don't have to see them, I just have to know that my target is in range. I was actually blinded by some spell, and tried to use a seeker arrow. I thought I would be able to just fire it, say, straight up and it would find the target for me.

 

[Taloras]

for the hail of arrows, id say, yes, it is a full round action, as it says "in lieu of her regular attacks". Since you have to use a full roudn action to get multiple attacks, id say its a full round action. Haste adds a partial action to it. So strictly rules-wise, id say you could move(partial), and perform the hail of arrows.

Seeker arrow....i have to agree with the DM on this one. If you cant see them, you cant -know- they are still in range. Im not entirely certain on it, but thats my point of view.

 

[bret]

Isn't Seeker Arrow the one that gives an example of someone going around a corner?

If it is, then you don't need to see the victim.

It would help if you could quote the text of the Seeker Arrow ability.

 

[Darklone]

You can fire at someone you don't see. Would include invisible ones I think. IMHO, the book states that the arrow fails if you attempt to shoot at someone out of range... that implies it too.

 

[Riveneye]

Sorry about not including a full description of each ability. Here they are, if it helps -

Seeker Arrow: At 4th level, the arcane archer can launch an arrow once per day at a target known to her within range, and the
arrow travels to the target, even around corners. Only an unavoidable obstacle or the end of the arrow’s range prevents the
arrow’s flight. This ability negates cover and concealment modifiers, but otherwise the attack is rolled normally. This is a spelllike
ability. (Shooting the arrow is part of the action.)

Hail of Arrows: In lieu of her regular attacks, once per day the 8th-level arcane archer can fire an arrow at each and every
target within range, to a maximum of one target for every arcane archer level she has earned. Each attack uses the archer’s
primary attack bonus, and each enemy may only be targeted by a single arrow. This is a spell-like ability.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

1) Is the Hail of Arrows ability a full round action? The description says:

"Hail of Arrows: In lieu of her regular attacks..."

Now, does this mean I have the ability to move as well as use this ability, in the same round?

Yes, but only a 5 foot step. Anytime you make more than one attack in a round, you must use the full attack action, unless the attack specifically says otherwise, like the pounce attack.

I actually had an extra partial action from haste, so I was trying to move (out of danger) then fire.

That is a little differant. You may move your speed with the extra partial action, then fire a hail of arrows with your regular full attack action. You may not, in this case, take a 5 foot step because you already moved during the round.

2) Do you have to physically see your target when firing a Seeker Arrow?

Of course not. That is the whole point of the ability. The arrow magically seeks out the known target, even if it is around a corner.

 

[Bauglir]

"This ability negates cover and concealment modifiers"

That part suggests to me that you would be able to fire a seeking arrow while blind. After all, the effect of blindness is to give your target 100% concealment (which is negated by the seeking arrow..)