Classes not dependent on high abilities

[Caliban]

Hong,

What's up with your attitude lately?

Jay

What do you mean "lately"? He's always been like this.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

What do you mean "lately"? He's always been like this.

Yeah, that's how we've come to know and loathe him (or what was that other word. It sounded a lot like loathe. And it didn't have anything to do with loaves of bread)

I'm not quite sure whether he's Statler or Waldorf!

 

[Rystil Arden]

Do stats make a character heroic?

jh

Nope. High stats don't make a character heroic. Low stats do make a character unheroic. When your Fighter is no stronger than average and would lose an arm-wrestle at a local bar (probably at least someone at the bar has 14 Strength, and he has 12), your Wizard is dumber and less learned than a decent percentage of the peasantry and many craftsman (since Craft uses Int and most people do have a 14 somewhere, assuming 3d6 for an ordinary person), your Bard is less persuasive than the local prostitutes, you just aren't heroic. It isn't reversible--you can have 30 Int or 30 Strength and sit on your arse, and the stats won't make you heroic.

 

[NilesB]

Do stats make a character heroic?

Yes.

 

[wayne62682]

To refine the question a bit; if your highest stat was a 12, what classes and combos would be most playable?

None of them. By the rules a character whose highest stat is 13 or less is considered "unplayable" and qualifies for a re-roll. And yes, stats do make a character heroic.

 

[Cheiromancer]

None of them. By the rules a character whose highest stat is 13 or less is considered "unplayable" and qualifies for a re-roll. And yes, stats do make a character heroic.

Just go with the premise. It's like if someone wanted to play a truenamer, and was asking for suggestions on how to build the most effective truenamer possible. You might feel that almost any other class would be a better choice, but that doesn't help the guy who wants to play a truenamer.

Do stats make a character heroic?

While that's an interesting question in its own right, I was hoping for the discussion to focus around characters that would be effective in a campaign which has lower ability scores.

Caliban, Kae'Yoss
If you object to hong's behavior, please report his post to a moderator or send him a PM.

 

[Crothian]

To refine the question a bit; if your highest stat was a 12, what classes and combos would be most playable?

I'd go with a with a fighter/rogue. Though the concept of an average man with vow of poverty Monk could be cool and fun.

 

[blargney the second]

Warlocks are probably the least stat needy class I know of.

A crusader comes in 2nd.

Agreed on both counts and the order. *applause*

 

[Winding Road]

I'd think an archery-focused ranger could hold his own quite well with low stats.

Str-only comes into play with a composite bow anyway.
Dex-they can bypass the Dex prereqs on most of the archery feats.
Con-an archer shouldn't be taking hits in the first place.
Int-they still get good skill points.
Wis-important for some key skills and spellcasting,
Cha-useless.

With the non-elite array, I'd build him as Str 10 Dex 12 Con 11 Int 9 Wis 13 Cha 8. He can scout and track just fine, and his FE/combat style feats/spells should keep him doing decent damage.

The real question is, can anyone build a primary spellcaster with those stats? That I'd like to see.

 

[Caliban]

Caliban, Kae'Yoss
If you object to hong's behavior, please report his post to a moderator or send him a PM.

I don't believe I stated a positive or negative opinion regarding his behavior, merely confirming that the "attitude" that Emirikol commented on is what passes for normal with Hong.

So the next time you feel the need to single me out on a public thread simply to tell me how I should act, please refrain from doing so.

Simply report it to a moderator, or send me a PM. Or do you feel that that bit of advice shouldn't apply to you?