CN archetypes

[delericho]

not chaotic in his planning enough to be C,

Well, in addition to "breaking the law", he's also consistently at odds with whatever authority he is confronted with, be it the laws of society, Jack, or his jailors amongst the "Others". That was my thinking behind Chaotic.

Still, I don't care enough to say any more about it than that.

I think he may have the best feel for what the survivors are likely to do in the future and the longest 'what will keep us alive' view of anyone on the island. He's *right* about the leadership on the island just sort of taking over without any debate from anyone else on the subject and he was *very* right about taking away the guns before said leadership started something stupid. Wierdly enough, I really like Sawyer.

The second season has just started here, so I don't know what happens with regard to the guns. As for the leadership thing, I didn't see anyone else offering an alternative suggestion. Then again, maybe my sympathies lie with Jack because I'm Lawful myself

I do like Sawyer too, though. Actually, I like most of the characters on Lost, which is one of the reasons I still watch the show, despite rapidly losing patience with the frustrating lack of answers.

 

[Clueless]

Ah Hah! Then I shall hush and not spoil anything for you. I think you'll enjoy where the story goes from there.

 

[Hussar]

Heh, second season of Lost starts in a couple of weeks here too, so, PRETTY PLEASE don't spoil it.

How about the French chick, whatserface? She seems like a pretty decent CN to me. Complete loner, somewhat insane, willing to do anything but not interested in hurting people just to hurt them. She steals the baby to give to the Others. Maybe not a bad match.

CN, to me, needs to be very impulsive. Not sure if any on Lost really fits the mold too well.

Someone else on the boards once remarked that CN is one of those alignments that isn't really viable in the long term. The character either goes good or evil, depending on what happens around him. Han Solo comes back to help Luke, shifting him into the good camp. Conan becomes king and starts acting good. Even before that, he was occassionally good and almost never evil.

 

[Klaus]

The French Chick, Danielle Rousseau (Mira Furlan), is either CN (beacuse she's more-than-slightly unbalanced) or TN (because she does plan stuff ahead). I'm leaning more towards TN. In d20 Modern, her Allegiance would be Alex (her child), and she'd be a Smart X/Tough 1/Field Scientist (she gained "Tough" after being stranded on the island, otherwise shed be straight Smart/Field Scientist).

 

[Someone]

I'd agree early Han Solo, but I'd say the change comes well before the carbonite. Turning the Falcon around to aid in the battle against the Death Star, after he was free and clear with his money, was not a CN act.

I don´t think so. He wasn´t thinking on the general good, but IMO to save Luke´s ass, who was arguably his friend by that point. "Neutral" by the rules means that you worry for yourself and those near you, but lack enough altruism for self-sacrifice for complete strangers.

 

[Klaus]

Han's big "Hey, I'm Good!" moment was volunteering for the Endor thingamajang (even Leia is surprised).

 

[Hussar]

Hey, speaking of Mira Furlan, how about some of the Bab 5 crowd?

It's been a while since I saw the show, but, surely someone in there fits the bill.

Thinking of SF, how about Quark from DS9? At least earlier in the series, he only cares for himself and his own gratification. He schemes and plans, but, the plans tend to fall apart in the end due to his own actions.

CMOT Dibbler from Terry Pratchett's Discworld might also fit the bill.

 

[delericho]

Hey, speaking of Mira Furlan, how about some of the Bab 5 crowd?

It's been a while since I saw the show, but, surely someone in there fits the bill.

Actually, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone on B5 who could be considered Chaotic Neutral. The vast majority of the characters are either Good or Evil. Londo probably spends some time in that alignment, but his alignment shifts rather a lot over the course of the show (as I posted in another thread).

The only character who I think might qualify is Byron. Despite being the leader of his group of rebels, he's more the first amongst equals. He doesn't really have any great order about him, and is in fact rebelling against the status quo (that doesn't make him Chaotic, of course, but perhaps with everything else). Were he not responsible for others, he would perhaps fit into the isolated loner stereotype - he objects to others applying strictures to him in general, and just wants to be left alone.

As for being Neutral (morally), despite his fine sounding words, Byron doesn't actually have much concern for life beyond those in his own little group. Several of the things he says about telepaths vs mundanes are downright nasty. Mostly, he's driven by a desire just to be left alone. (On the other hand, he is genuinely concerned with the health of his followers and, on at least one occasion, explicity accepted harm so that it would be diverted away from one of his followers.)

That was as close as I could get to CN in Babylon 5, unless I've missed someone.

 

[Hussar]

From the Jack Bauer thread.

House MD. Makes a very convincing CN.

 

[Sejs]

Said it before, I'll say it again -

Tyler Durden.

Archtypical chaotic neutral.