Combat advantage and Gnomes/Eyebite

[root.tar]

Question to the "Fade away" ability of gnomes.

When exactly do they have the Combat advantage?

E.G.

foe ini 10, gnome ini 5
- round 1: Foe hits gnome, gnome fades away
- round 2: Foe has an invisible target; ini 5 gnome is visible again
and has combat advantage and can make sneak attacks

Is this right?

Same question for the Eyebite power.

 

[DracoSuave]

Question to the "Fade away" ability of gnomes.

When exactly do they have the Combat advantage?

E.G.

foe ini 10, gnome ini 5
- round 1: Foe hits gnome, gnome fades away
- round 2: Foe has an invisible target; ini 5 gnome is visible again
and has combat advantage and can make sneak attacks

Is this right?

Same question for the Eyebite power.

Fade Away makes you invisible until the -end- of your next turn. You therefore have combat advantage until the -end- of your next turn.

Eyebite works until the beginning of your next turn so it doesn't work like that. But wait, you can still use it to gain Combat Advantage against that foe.

Warlocks have the ability of Shadow Walk, which gives them concealment until the end of -next- turn if they've moved more than 3 squares away from where they were at the beginning of -this- turn. So, what you do is you either Eyebite and move 3 squares away, or move 3 squares away and use Eyebite. Now you have Shadow Walk concealment and invisibility. The invisibility gives you stealth against that one foe.

Then, the beginning of your -next- turn, your Eyebite invisibility ends. However, because you're still concealed, you don't end Stealth, and therefore, you have Combat Advantage until you lose that concealment. If you again move 3 away on this turn, that concealment will not go away, altho attacking someone WILL break your stealth. However, if that attack is Eyebite, you'll be able to re-stealth against that one foe.

Do bear in mind tho, that one foe's friends can still see you. You're not completely stealthed, except against that one enemy.

 

[MarkB]

Fade Away makes you invisible until the -end- of your next turn. You therefore have combat advantage until the -end- of your next turn.

Eyebite works until the beginning of your next turn so it doesn't work like that. But wait, you can still use it to gain Combat Advantage against that foe.

Warlocks have the ability of Shadow Walk, which gives them concealment until the end of -next- turn if they've moved more than 3 squares away from where they were at the beginning of -this- turn. So, what you do is you either Eyebite and move 3 squares away, or move 3 squares away and use Eyebite. Now you have Shadow Walk concealment and invisibility. The invisibility gives you stealth against that one foe.

Then, the beginning of your -next- turn, your Eyebite invisibility ends. However, because you're still concealed, you don't end Stealth, and therefore, you have Combat Advantage until you lose that concealment. If you again move 3 away on this turn, that concealment will not go away, altho attacking someone WILL break your stealth. However, if that attack is Eyebite, you'll be able to re-stealth against that one foe.

Do bear in mind tho, that one foe's friends can still see you. You're not completely stealthed, except against that one enemy.

The warlock would still have to make a successful Stealth check to become hidden, and since he will have to move 3 squares in his one remaining move action in order to activate Shadow Walk, his Stealth check will be at a -5 penalty.

If his check doesn't beat the passive Perception of his Eyebite target, or that target makes a successful active Perception check against his Stealth check result on its turn, then he won't be Hidden from that target, which means it will be able to see him the moment his invisibility drops at the start of his turn.

 

[DracoSuave]

The warlock would still have to make a successful Stealth check to become hidden, and since he will have to move 3 squares in his one remaining move action in order to activate Shadow Walk, his Stealth check will be at a -5 penalty.

If his check doesn't beat the passive Perception of his Eyebite target, or that target makes a successful active Perception check against his Stealth check result on its turn, then he won't be Hidden from that target, which means it will be able to see him the moment his invisibility drops at the start of his turn.

Well, yeah, but he -does- still get to make these checks.