Combat Reflexes a Rogue Must-Have Feat?

[StreamOfTheSky]

Ooops. Missed that.

So.....Combat Reflexes is a "must have" feat for rogues because:

If they take Combat Reflexes,

And then they take Savvy Rogue feat,

And then they are 10th level,

And then they take the Opportunist ability,

....they can make an extra AoO (1 per opponent per round) aganist targets struck by someone else?

Do I have that right?

Well, note that no where in the description of Opportunist does it require the rogue to use a melee sneak attack (and they're usually so irritatingly careful about that....poor, poor archer rogues of mine ). So, I was just trying to offer a possible reason. That for an archer rogue, who is generally strapped for SA chances, the ability to have his fighter buddy ping multiple enemies and then get free SA on them all may be tempting. Still not sure it's worth the investment, but maybe.

 

[bestone]

Ooops. Missed that.

So.....Combat Reflexes is a "must have" feat for rogues because:

If they take Combat Reflexes,

And then they take Savvy Rogue feat,

And then they are 10th level,

And then they take the Opportunist ability,

....they can make an extra AoO (1 per opponent per round) aganist targets struck by someone else?

Do I have that right?

Never once did i say its the must have feat, i simply said you were incorrect, which you were.

That just adds an extra option to thigns you can do with combat reflexes

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

mmm that + keen rapier wow...just.... wow

How about Keen rapier with the Power critical feat?

Or the luck feat that uses a reroll for the day to make a nat. 1 a nat. 20?

Or for real (literal) overkill, combine it with the feat that lets you coup-de-grace as a standard (Deathblow?)

 

[Nail]

... i simply said you were incorrect, which you were.

Indeed.

 

[Squire James]

How about Keen rapier with the Power critical feat?

Or the luck feat that uses a reroll for the day to make a nat. 1 a nat. 20?

Or for real (literal) overkill, combine it with the feat that lets you coup-de-grace as a standard (Deathblow?)

Not to nitpick or anything (OK, I'm nitpicking), but even with Deathblow you still need to fulfill the other conditions of a coup-de-grace (i.e. the opponent being helpless). Lacking Dex bonus is miles away from helpless.

I've found most rapier builds, keen or otherwise, not to be terribly effective unless the character has lots of power behind his blows. Most of the time, it's just another +1d6 to damage.

 

[1500run]

PC, you're right. i should have not posted that comment to begin with, and if i ever have beef, it should go to you first. i'm sorry.

i still stand by my assessment that much of the non-core WotC stuff is broken, though i can understand why most people disagree.

i'll frame my arguments in a more civilized and structured manner in the future.

...end of this; back to topic, and i hope that everyone will forgive me for returning to it after most of a day--work got in the way.

 

[Mistwell]

PC, you're right. i should have not posted that comment to begin with, and if i ever have beef, it should go to you first. i'm sorry.

i still stand by my assessment that much of the non-core WotC stuff is broken, though i can understand why most people disagree.

i'll frame my arguments in a more civilized and structured manner in the future.

...end of this; back to topic, and i hope that everyone will forgive me for returning to it after most of a day--work got in the way.

Welcome to the boards. It takes some adjusting, but I hope you know we accept you and welcome your participation. So far, you have had some interesting things to say. And you certainly got our attention.

Anyway, on topic, I am running a rogue right now with exotic weapon - greatspear (a feat I received for free, and the greatspear is a reach weapon from Complete Warrior) along with dodge and mobility. Would folks say that Combat Reflexes is a must-have feat for that kind of rogure?

 

[Legildur]

Anyway, on topic, I am running a rogue right now with exotic weapon - greatspear (a feat I received for free, and the greatspear is a reach weapon from Complete Warrior) along with dodge and mobility. Would folks say that Combat Reflexes is a must-have feat for that kind of rogure?

Must have? Not sure. Certainly useful. but I guess it depends on what role your rogue typically fulfills.

Our rogue in the World's Largest Dungeon wielding a +2 holy longspear doesn't have any combat related feats - except Weapon Finesse. He has no intention of taking Combat Reflexes as he typically uses the spear from the second rank to Aid Another.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Not to nitpick or anything (OK, I'm nitpicking), but even with Deathblow you still need to fulfill the other conditions of a coup-de-grace (i.e. the opponent being helpless). Lacking Dex bonus is miles away from helpless.

No, no. That's what I meant when I said "(literal) overkill," as in more than is necessary when the opponent is already down. It was just a joke, which I guess wasn't a very good one. In fact, now that I have the clarity of being awake well towards sunrise, a rogue gets sneak attack on a CDG automatically anyway.

 

[Geoff Watson]

Welcome to the boards. It takes some adjusting, but I hope you know we accept you and welcome your participation. So far, you have had some interesting things to say. And you certainly got our attention.

Anyway, on topic, I am running a rogue right now with exotic weapon - greatspear (a feat I received for free, and the greatspear is a reach weapon from Complete Warrior) along with dodge and mobility. Would folks say that Combat Reflexes is a must-have feat for that kind of rogure?

Combat Reflexes is a must-have if you're wielding a reach weapon. I don't know what being a Rogue has to do with it.

Geoff.