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[Hypersmurf]

Hmmm... Dual Strike... has this one been published before? Lets you strike with two weapons as a standard action and a -4 penalty. I know some players who will like that. And they will all have spring attack...

If that's how it's worded, it won't work with Spring Attack.

If it says you can strike with two weapons as an attack action, it will work with Spring Attack. If it just says "standard action", that's not enough... just like Manyshot and Shot on the Run.

-Hyp.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Danke schön!

de nada!

Oh my god, you're speaking in tongues! Wie schrecklich!

If that's how it's worded, it won't work with Spring Attack.

If it says you can strike with two weapons as an attack action, it will work with Spring Attack. If it just says "standard action", that's not enough... just like Manyshot and Shot on the Run.

-Hyp.

Yes, that's how it is I think. But the tempest has double spring attack, or so I've heard.

 

[drnuncheon]

So, anybody else think that good BAB, two good saves, full arcane spell progression, full divine spell progression, and full bardic music and bardic knowledge advancement for the Fochlucan Lyrist is insane?

Three classes to get in...holy macaroni, it's the 1e bard!

I would hope that the BAB at the least should be medium.

J

 

[DungeonmasterCal]

What? No one commenting on the Spellthief excerpted on the WotC page? I'm having to work (on a Saturday...oh the horror) so I've not had time to sit down and really read it closely. My first impression is "Wow! a 20 Level Prestige Class" because of all the really cool class abilities.

 

[Psion]

If that's how it's worded, it won't work with Spring Attack.

If it says you can strike with two weapons as an attack action, it will work with Spring Attack. If it just says "standard action", that's not enough... just like Manyshot and Shot on the Run.

The wording is very close to manyshot, including the text about precision based damage (but lacking ability to make more attacks for a higher BAB.) It says "As a standard action, you may make a melee attack with your primary weapon and your off hand weapon."

That said, I am not precisely seeing your argument. You seem to be saying that manyshot or dual strike would not be an "attack action." It clearly seems to be an attack action to me. Neither manyshot nor dual strike define any rules for (frex) whether you suffer an attack of opportunity for using them. They are clearly an exception to the standard rules for attack actions, and there is no reason in any other way to not treat them as attack actions. (Is there actually a ruling that says this?)

Edit: Okay - I see the FAQ agrees with the manyshot as you discuss it. But it also admits that this ruling is "slicing the baloney a little thin". So I'll file this in the "easily dismissable stupid rulings" right next to the "burst weapons don't also do regular damage when bursting" thing from 3.0.

 

[Egres]

- Virtuoso (Jimi Hendrix)

 

[JPL]

Could someone give additional skinny on the exemplar? "Master of a single skill" sounds mighty interesting.

 

[Psion]

What? No one commenting on the Spellthief excerpted on the WotC page? I'm having to work (on a Saturday...oh the horror) so I've not had time to sit down and really read it closely. My first impression is "Wow! a 20 Level Prestige Class" because of all the really cool class abilities.

My thoughts were similar, but went more along the lines of "look! A class that is way too specific and really should be a prestige class! I won't be using this!"

 

[DungeonmasterCal]

Heh... I'll allow players to use it, but I do agree it'd made a better PrC (at least at first glance).

 

[Tessarael]

One other thing to note with the Fochlucan Lyrist is that it is intended as Bard/Druid multiclassed build. I suspect Evasion should not be one of the prestige class requirements - though the sample build does have Evasion.

Somone asked about the Exemplar ...

All skills are class skills. 8 skill points/level.
HD d6. BAB 3/4. Good Will saves, poor Fort/Ref saves.

Skill Artistry (1st, 4th, 7th, 10th) - choose skill which have 13 ranks in, gain +4 competence bonus in that skill. Must choose a different skill each time.

Skill Mastery (1st) - in 1+INT modifier number of skills.

Lend Talent (2nd) - accept penalty on skill checks to give half this as bonus to all allies within 30'. Penalty may not exceed class level.

Bonus Feats (3rd, 6th, 9th) - must be Skill Focus or a Skill Affinity feat

Sustaining Presence (4th) - add CHA bonus to Concentration checks and Fort saves

Persuasive Performance (5th) - may use skill with skill artistry as a Diplomacy check.

Intellectual Agility (9th) - INT bonus adds to initiative and Ref saves.

Perfect Self (10th) - as the Monk ability.