Complete Adventurer, Spells and Special Abilities

[Haffrung Helleyes]

Complete Adventurer

I think the book's OK. I like the stuff aimed at multiclassers. I like the new feats and spells.

I did think that some of the prestige classes were uninspired, and I don't like the SpellThief.

But on the whole, I felt I got my money's worth.

My ranking of the books is thus:
Complete Arcane
Complete Warrior
Complete Adventurer
Complete Divine

but I think all of these books are significantly better than the races of... books.

Ken

 

[Jdvn1]

As a higher level character (Cleric and Druid), the new spells in those books came in handy. Seeing as how I don't have to worry about spells known.

 

[Len]

Really, you'd be lucky with most 9th+ level characters that aren't fighters to find anything of use in any of the Complete series.

You just don't have the feats left at that point.

Well yeah, that's sort of our point. Are you agreeing now?

But I think for example a wizard would probably get more use out of Complete Arcane just because of the spells he could learn. (But I haven't read CAr; maybe the spells are mostly useless.)

 

[Saeviomagy]

Well yeah, that's sort of our point. Are you agreeing now?

But I think for example a wizard would probably get more use out of Complete Arcane just because of the spells he could learn. (But I haven't read CAr; maybe the spells are mostly useless.)

Personally I found that complete arcane was less useful for my wizard than complete warrior. I've actually used complete warrior stuff, while most of complete arcane seems worthless.

Complete adventurer on the other hand is something my wizard would really like to sink his teeth into. I really like some of the feats in it.

And no, my wiz/loremaster isn't some bizarre gestalt, or a wizard with an unusual focus, or odd skills, or wierd spells. He's just a wizard. Complete arcane was still all-but useless.

 

[MerricB]

Well yeah, that's sort of our point. Are you agreeing now?

You've moved your point from "Only CV is useless to existing characters" to "all completes are useless to existing characters".

This is otherwise known as "not having a position."

 

[ivocaliban]

I'm going with Merric on this one. I like the ideas and concepts presented in Complete Adventurer because they allow and enhance unusual multiclass situations. There are certain people that go by the numbers and that's perfectly fine, but I like the idea that you can now multiclass Monks and Paladins without being completely useless. Sure, by level X you might be outstripped by a pure Cleric or what have you, but I've never enjoyed D&D when folks wouldn't play an interesting character simply because they couldn't be as powerful as they wanted. In fact, I tend to award characters who chose unique concepts in ways which certainly balance them against straight-line number-crunchers.

So yeah, I applaud Complete Adventurer and the entire series as a whole for making interesting concepts more viable.

 

[Jdvn1]

So yeah, I applaud Complete Adventurer and the entire series as a whole for making interesting concepts more viable.

That's a good point. I wasn't playing a fighter-type, so I only got a little use out of Complete Warrior. But all the Complete books had at least a few things that made me go, "... Ooh, I want try that!" Or "That'd make a cool character!" Or something.

 

[MerricB]

One of the interesting things about CV is that it not only rewards multiclassing (or non-specialisation), but it rewards specialisation as well!

Sure, you have your multiclass PrC and feats, but, in fact, more of the book is spent on single-class concepts than multiclasses.

Fochlucan Lyrist is perhaps the ultimate non-specialist bard-type.
Meanwhile, the Virtuoso rewards bard specialising in music.

Master of Many Forms concentrates on the wildshape ability of the Druid.

Spymaster specialises in disguises.

Tempest specialises in two-weapon fighting.

(actually, TWF gets a boost out of CV, with the feat Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting as well!)

Cheers!

 

[Patman21967]

We alternate Gm's by month, and my month off will start Sunday. I have a level 2 rogue, that I cannot wait to start picking up wizard classes with. I can't wait to hit about 5/5. The guy running has updated and is converting Phlan, FR1..I guess it was...We have no cleric or Mage...wooo hooo...

 

[Trainz]

I have to agree, CAdv made me giggle with glee as I was reading it.

My sorceror's next level (in which I also gain a feat) will of course be a level of Monk, which will effectively bump my AC 10 points (along with a +2 to all saves).

I will have more or less an AC of 31 versus about any type of attack (melee, touch, incorporeal...).