Complete Arcane - Hideous Blow and Aoo

[Dandu]

And Hideous blow should never provoke an AoO because it says "Make a melee attack.." only way to provoke an AoO is to channel it into your fists.

Actually invoking the Hideous Blow does, because you are using an Invocation, and invocations provoke AoOs.

 

[Sindenky]

my DM will wave the AoO regardless so now I'm just curious for my own amusement.

"As a standard action you make a single melle attack. If you hit, the target is affected as if struck by your Eldritched Blast (Including any eldritched essence applied to the blast). This is in addition to any weapon damage that you deal with your attack, although you need not deal damage with this attack to trigger the eldritched blast effect."

i would understand provoking due to the fact that it's and invocation. But because its a shape essence i dint feel it counts. Otherwise when a warlaock uses Eldritched blast, and adds both a shape and a essence to his blast he provokes 3 AoO for using 2 Invocations and one Spell-like ability.

 

[Dandu]

No; shape and essences are riders on your EB. Using all three of them provokes only one AoO.

 

[Sindenky]

so then Hideous blow does not provoke an AoO because it just riding on your eldtricthed blast (or to be more correct your melle attack). so since you never actually use eldritched blast you never provoke an AoO. Because all you do is make a singe attack as a standard action, and by doing so trigger the effects of hideous blow.

thoughts?

 

[Sindenky]

and read Eldritched glaive closly. Its wording is almost the same as hideous blow, saying, "as a full round action, make an attack" pg. 82 Dragon magic.

There is no reason i can see why its ignored a AoO when HB would not.

May be missing something.

 

[Dandu]

so then Hideous blow does not provoke an AoO because it just riding on your eldtricthed blast (or to be more correct your melle attack). so since you never actually use eldritched blast you never provoke an AoO. Because all you do is make a singe attack as a standard action, and by doing so trigger the effects of hideous blow.

thoughts?

Reasonable houserule, but now how the rules are actually written.

As is, you do use your eldritch blast; you just channel it into the weapon.

 

[Sindenky]

Ok but why does the glayve ignore thwe aoo? (On phone now sorry 4 spelling)

 

[Dandu]

It provokes as well.

 

[irdeggman]

Glaive provokes also.

See earlier post

http://www.enworld.org/forum/5170862-post29.html

It is the invoking of the invocation not the affect of it that provokes an AoO.

Use the comparison of casting and making a touch attack spell (shocking grasp for example).

When in a threatened square you provoke when casting the spell.

You can then make a touch attack that does not provoke since you are now considered "armed"

The eldritch glaive is a reach weapon so if you invoked in when threatened by a creature with a reach of 1 you provoke but likewise can't make an attack since a reach weapon (normally) does not threeaten adjacent squares - very wasteful.

 

[Hrothgar Rannúlfr]

This concept of "discovering" new material always leaves a logic flaw for classes like the warlock or sorcerer where their abilities aren't "learned" but rather a natural part of their being. Warlocks don't have a "research" method of learning things. Sorcerers sort of do, but all it does is allow a method of acquiring spells - they never gain (shy of taking feats) additional spells above the number listed in the table.

If it was my game - I would have the player tell me what he wanted (from other books) and I would either approve it or not on a case basis. For the warlock the abilities gained probably would start to have some sort of physical effect (appearance wise) - especially if they were heritage feat base things.

Good point about "discovering" new material for warlocks and other classes with innate abilities.