Complete Scoundrel Here

[MKMcArtor]

And not reprinting what came before? Is that something new for this book?

It was, actually. When we sat down with Chris Perkins and Matt Sernett, one of the first things Chris said was something about getting lots of negative feedback about all the reprinted material.

Seems an odd thing to say given the reworking of demon and devil lords just done in the two books of fiends for example.

Well, I had no hand in either of those, so I have no comment.

From the look at the PrC I don't see anything that's adaptable for the Warlock. When I give it a more thorough read I'll be able to answer your question easier, but so far I see nothing that says "Definitely a must for Warlock".

Naw, nothing in the book for the warlock. Two reasons: 1) We knew Complete Mage was being written and 2) I abhor the class. Wes might like the class, but I don't know.

 

[Shade]

I could be wrong, but my impression on the "no reprints" philosophy is due to this essentially being the second wave of Complete Warrior/Arcane/Adventurer/Divine. I seem to remember this being a selling point when Complete Mage was first announced. This was probably to alleviate concerns that the first wave wasn't "complete".

Regardless, I don't think updated material from past editions would be a reprint for this purpose, but culling from Dragon and other sourcebooks would. Either way, I'm quite impressed with Complete Mage and from the looks of the preview and the contents of this thread, Complete Scoundrel sounds even better.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

Unless you have action points "refresh" more often than once per level, this'll probably be very underused, as players save their points for the more important "standard" uses. As BryonD mentions, it sort of short-sells APs.

The games I'm in that use them, I can't seem to find enough ways to spend them.

 

[EvolutionKB]

The games I'm in that use them, I can't seem to find enough ways to spend them.

Most the time, especially at high levels, we don't even use them all, and when we do, it's from action surge. Keep in mind we only use AP feats and you can use an AP to stabilize and mod a d20.

 

[BryonD]

Most the time, especially at high levels, we don't even use them all, and when we do, it's from action surge. Keep in mind we only use AP feats and you can use an AP to stabilize and mod a d20.

Really?
Wow, they go through them like candy in my games....

Sounds like the DM is to soft.

 

[EvolutionKB]

...Or are characters are so uber, we hardly ever need them

 

[Razz]

I could be wrong, but my impression on the "no reprints" philosophy is due to this essentially being the second wave of Complete Warrior/Arcane/Adventurer/Divine. I seem to remember this being a selling point when Complete Mage was first announced. This was probably to alleviate concerns that the first wave wasn't "complete".

Regardless, I don't think updated material from past editions would be a reprint for this purpose, but culling from Dragon and other sourcebooks would. Either way, I'm quite impressed with Complete Mage and from the looks of the preview and the contents of this thread, Complete Scoundrel sounds even better.

I agree with this. When I think of "reprints" I think of material printed in the books that was already printed in, say, a book I purchased 2 months ago. A little reprinting isn't so bad, but I have seen a couple of D&D 3.5 books where the reprints were a large handful of it. Also too much material from Dragon Magazine is another.

But taking material from 1E and 2E and revamping it to 3.5E I am all for, and I am sure almost everyone else out there is for, too. Heck, that's why Dragon Compendium sold so well.

 

[Particle_Man]

No reprints? But I want 3.5 modrons, dammit!

 

[Razz]

2) I abhor the class. Wes might like the class, but I don't know.

Aww, Mike, it's a really fun class. You should give it a try. Did some Warlock PC or NPC made your character's feelings hurt? If so, I can understand.

Cause I do it to my players or they do it to themselves all the time heh heh

 

[Razz]

No reprints? But I want 3.5 modrons, dammit!

Here's a paddle, get on the boat with the rest of us