Complete Warrior: Who's the best warrior of the bunch?

[Creeperman]

The FB is an inherently paradoxical class.

You take 2 points of nonlethal damage per round of frenzying. If you take subdual damage equal to your current hit points, you pass out. So the moment the FB drops below 0 hit points his nonlethal damage will knock him unconcious.

By the letter of the rules, this is quite right. Common sense, however, dictates that Deathless Frenzy should override nonlethal damage as well, or the ability automatically becomes worthless, as a Frenzied Berserker always has some amount of nonlethal damage from his Frenzy.

 

[Felix]

You are still raging while unconscious, so why wouldn't you be frenzying while unconscious?

Put it this way, it is more likely for a crazy, foaming-mouthed berzerker to go unconscious than for him to die. I think that makes sense as the berzerker is sorta letting go of his consciousness by allowing some subconscious rage to well up from within him. Of course, that's just a rationalization. Heh. The rules make sense: it powers down a powerful melee character by having it likely to be knocked unconscious.

Unfortunately for the berzerker, he'd better hope his team wins before someone CdG's him.

 

[Ackem]

I'ld like to point out that by combining Bear Warrior and Warshaper you can create a really really nasty character. The only thing standing in the way of completely out of control domination is that you can't max out both without getting into epic levels.

Any use at all of Dervish or Frenzied Berserker is also scary. The Epic Rules spontaneously combust* at level 21 when a Dervish can snag Perfect Two Weapon fighting and henceforth can, once a day, bust out 16 attacks in a single round while also moving their full speed. I expect this will become far worse whenever they get around to creating an epic progression for the Dervish and do something stupid like adding increasing use/day of Thousand Cuts.

However, in my non-objective woah-that's-cool manner of judgement that pays no attention to actual strength, MindSpy is the best PrC in the book. It's simply rad, despise being distinctly non-PC friendly.

*like the epic rules ever worked to begin with

 

[Plane Sailing]

but yeah. the abuse all comes out when you mix and match wantonly. in itself, Complete Warrior seems a-o-k.

To my mind deathless frenzy is a completely ludicrous ability and one which would never see the light of day in any game of mine. What WERE they thinking of with that one?

"The dragon breaths on you and does 1000pts damage"
"I keep on hacking"

It's even too stupid for a computer game.

 

[pawsplay]

My book says,

Deathless Frenzy (Ex): At 4th level and higher, a frenzied berserker can scorn death and unconsciousness while in a frenzy...

 

[James McMurray]

Ah, I missed the unconciousness part.

So not only are you immune to death, you also can't be knocked out? Mmm... Yeah, that one's stripped from Greyhawk when I'm running things.

 

[Endur]

The Frenzied Berserker is only an NPC or a one-PC campaign, since he kills all of his fellow party members the first time he stubs his toe.

I think the Cavalier/Paladin can do pretty well, with no cheese.

High level Cavalier/Paladin, Lance, Shock Trooper feat (Heedless charge), max power attack, smite evil for Paladin levels.

My knight starts 50' away from the bad guy and ends 50' away from the bad guy. And, oh yeah, let's inflict 200+ points of damage on Mr. Bad Guy if we don't roll a 1 on the to-hit roll.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

The Frenzied Berserker is only an NPC or a one-PC campaign, since he kills all of his fellow party members the first time he stubs his toe

Isn't that the PrC you where talking about playing in the "experience" game?

 

[Taren Seeker]

I'm a big fan of the Occult Slayer. Quite frankly, it has almost everything I'd want in a dedicated anti-spellcaster fighter, except maybe SR or evasion. Combine the class with Ranger levels (and the right favored enemies) and you have a really nasty specialist.

Also, Stonelord is just really cool, with some very nice abilities that can be tailored to a number of warrior types.

I like the balance of the book as well. The only really broken thing IMO is the Frenzied Beserker.

 

[Felix]

Or Occult Slayer combined with Forsaker.
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