[Completly OT] Xbox or PS2?
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Shapermc
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Halo (the sheep has spoke bahhhh). But seriously this is what sold me on the system when it was still $300 with no included games.
Morrowind is amazing (and I perfer to play RPG's on my couch than PC chair). I spent over 200 hours on this and never completed the main mission.
JSRF is possibly one of the best games on the system.
Any sprots game (Tony Hawk, NCAA, NFL, NHL . . . ) is immeadatly better. Aside from the grapical improvements you dont have to buy a splitter for 4 player action. Also if you head to your local gaming store you can pick up used (well kind of) large model Xbox controlers that came with the system for less than $15. This is because people bought the system traded it in for a discount for the small controller
Also Splinter cell is great.
Xbox live is another amazing selling point if you have a broadband connection.
The Juke(X)box. Here is what made me really dig it that most people dont even use. You can compress your audio cd's (infortunatly not burned cd's) into a xbox compression format and store it on the hard drive (I have heard that it is the .wma format that M$ has the copyright to but no confirmation). I have almost 15 full CD's worth of songs on it and if you look at your memory left in the main opening screen for the Xbox it still says that I have 500,000+ memory slots available. I have many many many many save games and custom teams saved on the Xbox as well. Then I just turn my Xbox into a Jukebox and let it play audio while I read or paint mini's or make character's You can also use this song feature on some games (mainly agressive sport games).
There are more things that are just little qirks about the system liek the ability to add elements to the games (DOA3 has more lvels and more costumes that you can add, Unreal Championship has more levels available for DL off the Live network, Splinter cell has something, SegaGT has a christmas track and a new car.) Also I like not haveing to worry about howmany save games I have on a memory card. Little stuff. As I said I am also a huge SEGA fanboy and Sega is showing huge support for the Xbox (House of the Dead 3 :drool and will continue to (Panzer Dragoon Orta :drool.
If you are a 2-d fighting fan you will love the Xbox next year. Marvel v Capcom 2 and Capcom v SNK 2 will both go online with Xbox live in Q1 of next year. That me smack talking over the Voice Communicator from my couch to some unknowing fool half across the world
If you need more examples about my personal opinions just ask, but that is all that they are is opinions.
EDIT: Shenume II is also an amazing game, and especially if it comes with the movie ofthe first one. I have this game for my Dreamcast and have beat it a couple of time (even though I got it for my wife for christmas). I foget that it came out for the Xbox
Mallus said:
Halo (the sheep has spoke bahhhh). But seriously this is what sold me on the system when it was still $300 with no included games.
Morrowind is amazing (and I perfer to play RPG's on my couch than PC chair). I spent over 200 hours on this and never completed the main mission.
JSRF is possibly one of the best games on the system.
Any sprots game (Tony Hawk, NCAA, NFL, NHL . . . ) is immeadatly better. Aside from the grapical improvements you dont have to buy a splitter for 4 player action. Also if you head to your local gaming store you can pick up used (well kind of) large model Xbox controlers that came with the system for less than $15. This is because people bought the system traded it in for a discount for the small controller
Also Splinter cell is great.
Xbox live is another amazing selling point if you have a broadband connection.
The Juke(X)box. Here is what made me really dig it that most people dont even use. You can compress your audio cd's (infortunatly not burned cd's) into a xbox compression format and store it on the hard drive (I have heard that it is the .wma format that M$ has the copyright to but no confirmation). I have almost 15 full CD's worth of songs on it and if you look at your memory left in the main opening screen for the Xbox it still says that I have 500,000+ memory slots available. I have many many many many save games and custom teams saved on the Xbox as well. Then I just turn my Xbox into a Jukebox and let it play audio while I read or paint mini's or make character's
You can also use this song feature on some games (mainly agressive sport games).There are more things that are just little qirks about the system liek the ability to add elements to the games (DOA3 has more lvels and more costumes that you can add, Unreal Championship has more levels available for DL off the Live network, Splinter cell has something, SegaGT has a christmas track and a new car.) Also I like not haveing to worry about howmany save games I have on a memory card. Little stuff. As I said I am also a huge SEGA fanboy and Sega is showing huge support for the Xbox (House of the Dead 3 :drool
and will continue to (Panzer Dragoon Orta :drool. If you are a 2-d fighting fan you will love the Xbox next year. Marvel v Capcom 2 and Capcom v SNK 2 will both go online with Xbox live in Q1 of next year. That me smack talking over the Voice Communicator from my couch to some unknowing fool half across the world
If you need more examples about my personal opinions just ask, but that is all that they are is opinions.
EDIT: Shenume II is also an amazing game, and especially if it comes with the movie ofthe first one. I have this game for my Dreamcast and have beat it a couple of time (even though I got it for my wife for christmas). I foget that it came out for the Xbox
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Shard O'Glase
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Minor beef for B-Ball games I like the splitter. It lets me paly with 5 people the number of players on a B-Ball team(actually playing that is) With 4 slots they feel no need for a splitter.
Oh and prepared to be talken smack too. Though since my 2-d skills are rusty and never updated past SF2(totally can't figure out that lame bounce people into the air and beat the crap out of them as I jump up with them thing) it may very well be underserved smack.
Shapermc said:
Any sprots game (Tony Hawk, NCAA, NFL, NHL . . . ) is immeadatly better. Aside from the grapical improvements you dont have to buy a splitter for 4 player action. Also if you head to your local gaming store you can pick up used (well kind of) large model Xbox controlers that came with the system for less than $15. This is because people bought the system traded it in for a discount for the small controller
If you are a 2-d fighting fan you will love the Xbox next year. Marvel v Capcom 2 and Capcom v SNK 2 will both go online with Xbox live in Q1 of next year. That me smack talking over the Voice Communicator from my couch to some unknowing fool half across the world
Minor beef for B-Ball games I like the splitter. It lets me paly with 5 people the number of players on a B-Ball team(actually playing that is) With 4 slots they feel no need for a splitter.
Oh and prepared to be talken smack too. Though since my 2-d skills are rusty and never updated past SF2(totally can't figure out that lame bounce people into the air and beat the crap out of them as I jump up with them thing) it may very well be underserved smack.
Chun-tzu
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Chun-tzu said:
Fine! Don't answer my question! Like the old "I didn't see that news clip" excuse means anything. I'll just stay up until 3 am (well, I'd have been up anyway) and catch the replay.
[stays up]
Rassin'-frassin' Fox News. Doesn't know what the **** they're talking about. They say it's possible that the game systems will go down another $50 in MAY. Hel-LO?!? May is not "post-Holidays", May is next freaking year! And that's based on what? "Insiders speculate..." my @$$. I should have known, since I couldn't find any news online to corroborate this rumor.
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My group for my MCVA (Market Competition and Value Appropriation) class just did a 6,500 word analysis of the three systems and the various strategies that they've undertaken. If people are interested, and my teammates and professor don't mind, I'll post it here.
One interesting tidbit, Kaz Hirai, the president of Sony Computer Entertainment (the Sony division that's responsible for the PS2) said, "officially, the console wars are over" at the last E3 conference. Given that PS2 has sold over 30 million consoles, while the other two have sold between 3.5-4 million consoles each, it's hard to argue with him.
One interesting tidbit, Kaz Hirai, the president of Sony Computer Entertainment (the Sony division that's responsible for the PS2) said, "officially, the console wars are over" at the last E3 conference. Given that PS2 has sold over 30 million consoles, while the other two have sold between 3.5-4 million consoles each, it's hard to argue with him.
Shard O'Glase
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Enforcer said:
Nintendo screwed up again. The cartirige system in N64 vs the PS1 was just dumb. It still was a good system with some great games, but that was just dumb and doomed them to failure. Simialrly in this round not using DVDs which are seen as the high end of current gaming console s, they went with there non-DVD sytem, just lame. And the one year gap is just a killer.(on top of that they had a slow release of games after there initital release)
Microsoft had a decent 1st showing, though I really doubt any American company had any hope of success in the needed Japan market, and the one year gap agian really hurts. The X-Box may have gotten enough name recognition as the "better" mechine tech wise that if round 2 comes up and they release their machine at the same time(both in Japan and here so yes Japan owuld get the X-Box before us) they might have a chance to get a decent market share. And while I like the X-box controller it would probably be wise to release the game with either a smaller controller or with the option for a smaller controlelr instead of having to wait for it.
Shapermc
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The console war is over Game Boy wins. Seriously. It out sells any system to date.
I would love to see that report. You can email it to me at mwmson@hotmail.com if you can't post it. I love reading this stuff
While I dont know if your impling that there was no option when it was released or if there is no option now, I am assuming the second. There is a smaller (s - model) Xbox controller out now. It was not released at the same time as the Xbox in america, but it was for the Japan release. Now it is actually sold with the Xbox as opposed to the larger one.
Why? Serioulsy japan could have had Xbox 2 months to a year early from America and it would not have made a difference. Look at Metal Gear Solid 2. It was released in America 2 months before Japan (Konami took a huge risk with doing that too) and it still sold better than expected in Japan. It honestly has to do with alot of thought by the Japanese market that an American company has to prove that they can get good games out there. So far most of the games that have done well on the Xbox were games that did poorly in Japan on the Dreamcast. JSRF is a prime example of this. JSR for the DC did much better in US sales than Japan even thought DC had less than half the installed user base that Japan had. Same goes for Crazy Taxi and House of the Dead. Also if you look at howmany sports games there are for the Xbox you will see that most of them are Football (US football) and that those games do really poorly in Japan.
Also one of the largest selling points of Xbox in america is Halo. Halo did not do well in Japan because it is a FPS game (one of the worst selling kind of games because guns are outlawed in Japan). So the Uber game for the system only fell into a niche market in japan. Also SOA (Sega of America) has a larger advertising budget in america (one of the few companies like this). This means that SOA also spends more time when they take a Jap game and add extras for the US version and fix bugs.
I can go on like this for a while about why Xbox did not do as well in Japan, but I will turn over to why it will start doing alot better. Xbox Live and Panzer Dragoon Orta. Online console gaming has always been more popular in Japan (tons of DC games lost the budget to get them converted over to the US with Multiplayer online accessability due to the lack of expected increased revenu). If Xbox live hits home in Japan (Where PS2 has and still is falling short) then the Xbox sales will double to tripple in no time. Why do you think that games like Panzer Dragoon Orta and Steel Batallion (Games which mainly will apeal to the Jap market) are comming out around the same time as Live? Also the fighting games that I have mentioned before (MvC2 and CvS2) will drag in a huge Japan audience.
Microsoft knew that the console war was over before they entered it. They have been batteling for 2nd place the whole time. This is why they are putting so much money into it. Who ever comes out on top (between M$ and the Big N) will have the best chance in the next consel war.
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I would love to see that report. You can email it to me at mwmson@hotmail.com if you can't post it. I love reading this stuff
While I dont know if your impling that there was no option when it was released or if there is no option now, I am assuming the second. There is a smaller (s - model) Xbox controller out now. It was not released at the same time as the Xbox in america, but it was for the Japan release. Now it is actually sold with the Xbox as opposed to the larger one.
Why? Serioulsy japan could have had Xbox 2 months to a year early from America and it would not have made a difference. Look at Metal Gear Solid 2. It was released in America 2 months before Japan (Konami took a huge risk with doing that too) and it still sold better than expected in Japan. It honestly has to do with alot of thought by the Japanese market that an American company has to prove that they can get good games out there. So far most of the games that have done well on the Xbox were games that did poorly in Japan on the Dreamcast. JSRF is a prime example of this. JSR for the DC did much better in US sales than Japan even thought DC had less than half the installed user base that Japan had. Same goes for Crazy Taxi and House of the Dead. Also if you look at howmany sports games there are for the Xbox you will see that most of them are Football (US football) and that those games do really poorly in Japan.
Also one of the largest selling points of Xbox in america is Halo. Halo did not do well in Japan because it is a FPS game (one of the worst selling kind of games because guns are outlawed in Japan). So the Uber game for the system only fell into a niche market in japan. Also SOA (Sega of America) has a larger advertising budget in america (one of the few companies like this). This means that SOA also spends more time when they take a Jap game and add extras for the US version and fix bugs.
I can go on like this for a while about why Xbox did not do as well in Japan, but I will turn over to why it will start doing alot better. Xbox Live and Panzer Dragoon Orta. Online console gaming has always been more popular in Japan (tons of DC games lost the budget to get them converted over to the US with Multiplayer online accessability due to the lack of expected increased revenu). If Xbox live hits home in Japan (Where PS2 has and still is falling short) then the Xbox sales will double to tripple in no time. Why do you think that games like Panzer Dragoon Orta and Steel Batallion (Games which mainly will apeal to the Jap market) are comming out around the same time as Live? Also the fighting games that I have mentioned before (MvC2 and CvS2) will drag in a huge Japan audience.
Microsoft knew that the console war was over before they entered it. They have been batteling for 2nd place the whole time. This is why they are putting so much money into it. Who ever comes out on top (between M$ and the Big N) will have the best chance in the next consel war.
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Shard O'Glase
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Shapermc said:
I actualy meant the former in the at release they better have both or at least the smaller controller. I didn't know the small controler was standard now though I knew it shipped to Japan that way.
And why for timing. Because while some people are gameing freaks like me and just buy all the sytems that are easily avialable to them, many others buy just one. A jump on the competition is a big thing in console wars because 1. people are impatient and 2(and more importantly)# of games a system has is also very important. If you let some one launch there system in advance they will have more games and that frequently determins which system people will buy. X-Box would be wise in this time frame to also work on landing some games company contracts with the comapanies that sell the most games in Japan, there Japan launch should likely have a decent number of games which will never be seen here in america where the assumption would be for that type of game that it would fail.
And even with Live I don't think there will be a huge X-Box buying spree in Japan. It might happen but I think 2 things will stop it. 1 both X-Box and PS2 have been announcing the next gen systems enough that I can see people looking to PS3 and X-Box2 before they pick up another current gen console, and 2 I'm surprised at how much Sony is flubbing the online thing up to now, I just can't see it continuing for much longer if the X-Box live thing takes off at all, there just too savy for that.
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