[Completly OT] Xbox or PS2?

[Shapermc]

And why for timing. Because while some people are gameing freaks like me and just buy all the sytems that are easily avialable to them, many others buy just one. A jump on the competition is a big thing in console wars because 1. people are impatient and 2(and more importantly)# of games a system has is also very important. If you let some one launch there system in advance they will have more games and that frequently determins which system people will buy. X-Box would be wise in this time frame to also work on landing some games company contracts with the comapanies that sell the most games in Japan, there Japan launch should likely have a decent number of games which will never be seen here in america where the assumption would be for that type of game that it would fail.

Than why did Dreamcast fail? It was out way before PS2 and had a quite a large ammount of games out for it. (BTW M$ is trying to land a few more exclusive contracts )

And even with Live I don't think there will be a huge X-Box buying spree in Japan. It might happen but I think 2 things will stop it. 1 both X-Box and PS2 have been announcing the next gen systems enough that I can see people looking to PS3 and X-Box2 before they pick up another current gen console, and 2 I'm surprised at how much Sony is flubbing the online thing up to now, I just can't see it continuing for much longer if the X-Box live thing takes off at all, there just too savy for that.

Ok I never said it would be a buying spree, considering that if 2 to 3 times more people started buying Xbox's in Japan it would stll be quite a low number . Also the second part is not true either. Lots of people buy just one system (like you stated) and then wait for the other that they want to drop in price and have something that they really want. Especially if Xbox2 is involved it would not be a detering factor in buy, it would be the exact oposite. Xbox2 would be backwards compatable and if the price warented then the consume would know that if they got the Xbox 2 all the games that they are buying now would also work in the future

Actually it is becasue Sony has taken the back seat that PS2 online has been doing so bad. They left it up to the software company to develop the servers and how their online services will work. If Sony really wanted it to work (like SEGA and M$) they would have taken over where everyone was connecting to instead of just leaving it up in the air. I sincerly doubt that PS2 will ever succeed in the online gaming market (unless FF XI pulls their servers out of the crapper).

 

[Jeremy]

My personal opinion:

I have played atari 2600, nes, sega ms, genesis, snes, psx, n64, dc, ps2, and xbox.

Of the three currently competing consoles, the PS2 is the most worth the money. It's game library is second to none and allows for a variety and selection that outweighs any perk I've seen of the other systems.

Towards the end of the SNES Nintendo began marketing more and more to really young children. The N64 was even worse, selling it's system on Goldeneye until it died. Unless you liked playing Pokemon spin offs, you had to have a playstation. The gamecube has followed this trend leaving you with zelda/metroid/mario or kids titles. Often of the cross platform titles, the game cube version is added as an afterthought.

The xbox has halo. I'd say it has splinter cell too, but that is cross platform. Given the number of ps2's out there in the market vs the number of xbox's, and given the game titles coming out on all three platforms, I only see the gap widening. If you go into a blockbuster you see 8-20 panels of psx and ps2 games and 4-8 panels of xbox games. I anticipate this will not change prior to the next gen consoles arrivals.

Free online play vs. subscription online pay with a player finder? No contest. I have enough bills as it is.

MGS came out on PS2, Xbox got an expanded version, PS2 is getting an expanded version of that.

No, game analysis isn't going to work because a post will list 5 games a person likes and any system can list that. I can't emphasize the importance of selection and library. If anything, get the xbox and ps2 as it adds even more choices. But before the next gen boxes are out, I see the ps2 having an extraordinarily larger library of games than the game cube and the xbox combined.

And in owning a console, that's the most important detail.

Anyone who was stuck still playing Shadows of the Empire and GoldenEye on the N64 two years after it was released can tell you that.

 

[Shapermc]

Of the three currently competing consoles, the PS2 is the most worth the money. It's game library is second to none and allows for a variety and selection that outweighs any perk I've seen of the other systems. . (snip snip) . . No, game analysis isn't going to work because a post will list 5 games a person likes and any system can list that. I can't emphasize the importance of selection and library. If anything, get the xbox and ps2 as it adds even more choices. But before the next gen boxes are out, I see the ps2 having an extraordinarily larger library of games than the game cube and the xbox combined.

Sorry, but I will take quality over quantity any day.

Towards the end of the SNES Nintendo began marketing more and more to really young children. The N64 was even worse, selling it's system on Goldeneye until it died. Unless you liked playing Pokemon spin offs, you had to have a playstation. The gamecube has followed this trend leaving you with zelda/metroid/mario or kids titles. Often of the cross platform titles, the game cube version is added as an afterthought.

Contrary to what you have posted, why does the Gamecube have pretty much exclusive rights to Resident Evil than? And Metriod (if this is what you ment by it) is not a kiddie game in my book.

The xbox has halo. I'd say it has splinter cell too, but that is cross platform. Given the number of ps2's out there in the market vs the number of xbox's, and given the game titles coming out on all three platforms, I only see the gap widening. If you go into a blockbuster you see 8-20 panels of psx and ps2 games and 4-8 panels of xbox games. I anticipate this will not change prior to the next gen consoles arrivals..

[personal opinion]But when I look over the Xbox section I see more games that I want to play then when I wander through the PS2 section, that is what is more important to me[/personal opinion]

Free online play vs. subscription online pay with a player finder? No contest. I have enough bills as it is.

MGS came out on PS2, Xbox got an expanded version, PS2 is getting an expanded version of that.

And in owning a console, that's the most important detail.

Hmm if your questioning budget than . . .

PS2:
System: $200
Memory Card: $25
HD + Network Adapter: $45 (I think) (You also cant save games on the HD)
2 Games: $40 - $100
Spliter for Controlers: $30 (if you want it)
Total: $330 - $400

Xbox:
System: $200
Memory Card: Don't need one you have the Hard drive
HD + Network Adaprot: Included
2 Games: Included
Spliter for Controlers: None needed 4 are built in
Total: $200 ($250 if you get Xbox live, but that includes 1 more game and a bunch of demos and the Comunicator)

Anyone who was stuck still playing Shadows of the Empire and GoldenEye on the N64 two years after it was released can tell you that.

I still have fun with those games and I hope that you were saying that you had fun with those

I have played atari 2600, nes, sega ms, genesis, snes, psx, n64, dc, ps2, and xbox.

I have played and still own
GameBoy, GBC, GBA, Atari, Nes, Snes, Sega MS, Genesis, Saturn, N64, DC, PSX, PS1 (you know the cute little one with the LCD monitor), PS2, Xbox, (obscureones starting here) 3DO, CD-i, Jaguar, Nomad, Turbo Gfx-16, Turbo-Duo, Neo-Geo, Lynx, Wonder Swan, Neo-Geo Pocket Color. It makes no difference between my opinion and someone who owns a GameCube as their first system.

 

[Chun-tzu]

Hmm if your questioning budget than . . .

PS2:
System: $200
Memory Card: $25
HD + Network Adapter: $45 (I think) (You also cant save games on the HD)
2 Games: $40 - $100
Spliter for Controlers: $30 (if you want it)
Total: $330 - $400

Xbox:
System: $200
Memory Card: Don't need one you have the Hard drive
HD + Network Adaprot: Included
2 Games: Included
Spliter for Controlers: None needed 4 are built in
Total: $200 ($250 if you get Xbox live, but that includes 1 more game and a bunch of demos and the Comunicator)

To be fair, you also need a $30 remote to play DVDs on an Xbox, but you can play them on any PS2.

 

[Shapermc]

To be fair, you also need a $30 remote to play DVDs on an Xbox, but you can play them on any PS2.

I forgot that

I bought the remote for both systems anyways. The controller really sucks for the PS2 you almost need the Remote for like fast forwarding and rewinding and . . .

 

[Sir Edgar]

Wow, thanks for all your input, guys! I've been regularly checking up on here to see get everyone's opinion and I'm definitely leaning towards the... Xbox!

This is primarily because I want a good DVD player and play a few cool games. Although I will wonder if I made the right choice because I will not be able to play GTA3 (except maybe on my PC), Okage, Dark Cloud, Ico, and other great PS2 exclusive games, I know I will enjoy Halo, DOA3, Morrowind, Jet Set Radio Future, Splinter Cell, etc. And that's really enough for me. I still have a lot of catching up to do in the console games department anyhow.

By the way, how long do you guys guess it would take for the PS3 or Xbox2 to be released? Also, does anyone want to buy an excellent condition Dreamcast with 12 games (only one year old)?

 

[Shapermc]

By the way, how long do you guys guess it would take for the PS3 or Xbox2 to be released? Also, does anyone want to buy an excellent condition Dreamcast with 12 games (only one year old)?

At the earliest I would guess Holiday season 2004. Most likely mid - late 2005.

Make me an offer (I live in New Orleans US) and tell me what the games are. I would probably buy the system, but I will most likely have all the games ;-)

 

[Shard O'Glase]

Than why did Dreamcast fail? It was out way before PS2 and had a quite a large ammount of games out for it. (BTW M$ is trying to land a few more exclusive contracts )



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I never understood why no-one gave the dreamcast a chance. My guess is related to my nintendo screw up problem. they went with "inferior" tech like the what was it a GD instead of DVD, processing pwoer, everything was subpar compared to the PS2 coming out next year. So why take a risk on the returning failure Sega.

It was an amzaing sytem with great games though, and its a shame it got blown out the water so quickly.

Personally I think everyone should get every main sytem they can afford. They really aren't that expensive, and competition is god for the industry. Each of the amin 3 has at least one exclusive game on it that makes me glad I bought the ssytem and is well worth it under my standard 5$ per hour valueation method. Gamecube super monkey ball(and likey Zelda when it finally comes out), PS2 GTA3-vice, X-Box Halo, in each of these cases I played each one of those games enough that not only was the game worth it under my valuation system but the ssytem with all the accesories I bought as well. Every game past then is just icing.

I'd say X-Box gets my most money though because any cross platform game I get on the X-Box for the marginal graphic increase and the hard-drive(which frequently means extras), and it's exclusive titles are more to my liking. When I get broadband cable, I'm going live because X-boxs online serive at the moment at least kicks the crap at of the PS2s service.

 

[Tsyr]

At the earliest I would guess Holiday season 2004. Most likely mid - late 2005.

Make me an offer (I live in New Orleans US) and tell me what the games are. I would probably buy the system, but I will most likely have all the games ;-)

Likewise, if he doesn't want the games, there might be some I would want... I love the DC, myself, but there are a few games I don't have.

 

[drothgery]

I never understood why no-one gave the dreamcast a chance. My guess is related to my nintendo screw up problem. they went with "inferior" tech like the what was it a GD instead of DVD, processing pwoer, everything was subpar compared to the PS2 coming out next year. So why take a risk on the returning failure Sega.

There was a huge amount of advance hype for the PS2. Everything else was pretty much unimportant. Sega was shouting "We have more games, better games, and a system that's much easier to program for" for the first year that the PS2 was out, and pretty much every video game magazine and web site agreed, while also saying that the Dreamcast was doomed.

Neither Nintendo nor Microsoft had to deal with that hype machine as much; they were aiming for #2 from the beginning. And both brought their own advantages to the table, in addition to the 'easier to code for' card that both had relative to the PS2. Nintendo had some very strong exclusive franchises, the Game Boy to rely on for cash, and a less expensive system. Microsoft brought the most powerful system to the table, relatively easy PC ports, and Microsoft's money to guarantee that they weren't going to give up.