CONAN Is Finally Here!

aramis erak · Feb 4, 2017

CapnZapp said:
Sorry, now you've lost me.

Are you seriously so determined to Be Right™ that you go completely off track to invent examples that nobody has talked about in the thread?

If so: I am wrong. You are right.

Now then: how about if I argue that by labelling "I dislike meta rules" "illogical" you're only inadvertantly revealing things about yourself?

No - Waterbob claims to hate metagaming, and yet the systems he touts are rife with metagaining in actual play, and his claimed hatred of it makes no sense given that reality.

I used outside examples to show that you're making false premise statements, and to negate your essentially ad hominem comments about me..

The metagame aspects of d6 are exactly what allows d6 to emulate the Star Wars feel.
(FFG does that better. But it actually takes more effort to learn, to run, and to play.)

The Doom mechanic is similar - it's there to emulate a certain kind of ebb and flow in play. It also lends adventures more replayability, as the flow of doom/threat and momentum may vary quite a bit.

It creates story tension in play. It does so with less effort than doing so with creative narration and keeping players in the dark (Gygax's prime method per AD&D1). And, when done with tokens of some kind (eg poker chips or gaming stones), it's not terribly intrusive into the story and

pemerton · Feb 5, 2017

[MENTION=6799909]N01H3r3[/MENTION], thanks for the post. Your description was easier to follow than the one in the Quickstart rules!

So, vs the Picts wounding could be either reduce to 0 or 5+ damage; whereas vs the panther there's not much likelihood of the former, but the latter is still likely to take place, subject to its armour, which is better than the picts', and noting that it is a "nemesis"-level threat vis a vis wound capacity.

How important is the ability to use momentum to increase damage? As in , is 5+ damage going to happen very often without spending significant amounts of momentum? Vs the picts that looks like it mightn't matter much, because you might just hack through it's vigour, but vs the panther it looks more important.

aramis erak · Feb 5, 2017

pemerton said:
[MENTION=6799909]N01H3r3[/MENTION], thanks for the post. Your description was easier to follow than the one in the Quickstart rules!

So, vs the Picts wounding could be either reduce to 0 or 5+ damage; whereas vs the panther there's not much likelihood of the former, but the latter is still likely to take place, subject to its armour, which is better than the picts', and noting that it is a "nemesis"-level threat vis a vis wound capacity.

How important is the ability to use momentum to increase damage? As in , is 5+ damage going to happen very often without spending significant amounts of momentum? Vs the picts that looks like it mightn't matter much, because you might just hack through it's vigour, but vs the panther it looks more important.

The conan combat dice are 1, 2, 0, 0, 1+E, 1+E, so 2/3 damage per die and 1/6 effect per die...
you need 5*3/2=7.5 = 8 dice to expect a wound.

chance of 5+ damage on ...
2 CD: 0
3 CD: 4.63
4 CD: 19.68
5 CD: 40.82
6 CD: 61.05
7 CD: 76.57
8 CD: 86.87
9 CD: 93.05
10 CD: 96.49

So, it's going to matter a lot.
(numbers crunched using iteration.)

Edit: switched to correct CD type. STA draft uses this type of CD as well.

Reef · Feb 5, 2017

aramis erak said:
The conan combat dice are 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 1+E, so 2/3 damage per die and 1/6 effect per die...
you need 5*3/2=7.5 = 8 dice to expect a wound.

Chance of 5+ stress on 8 CD is around 64.2%.
Chance of 5+ stress on 7 CD is around 51.7%.
Chance of 5+ stress on 6 CD is around 37.8%.
Chance of 5+ stress on 5 CD is around 23.8%.
Chance of 5+ stress on 4 CD is around 11.5%.
Chance of 5+ stress on 3 CD is around 3.2%.
Chance of 5+ stress on 2 CD is 0%.

So, it's going to matter a lot.
(numbers crunched using iteration.)

According to the Conan QuickStart, the dice are 1,2,0,0,1+E,1+E. Only the 3 and 4 are nulls. Did that change for the full rules?

aramis erak · Feb 5, 2017

Reef said:
According to the Conan QuickStart, the dice are 1,2,0,0,1+E,1+E. Only the 3 and 4 are nulls. Did that change for the full rules?

Sorry, I looked in wrong edition of the QS (I've got two different versions of the QS)... CD are not the same odds in all 2d20 games..

Reef · Feb 5, 2017

aramis erak said:
Sorry, I looked in wrong edition of the QS (I've got two different versions of the QS)... CD are not the same odds in all 2d20 games..

Interesting, I didn't know they customized it like that. Thanks!

So, how is advancement handled? Are characters expected to improve greatly over the course of the game, or is it smaller gains? It's obviously not xp/level based. Milestones? Per sessions?

pemerton · Feb 5, 2017

[MENTION=6779310]aramis erak[/MENTION], [MENTION=4533]Reef[/MENTION]

I have the 3.5 version of the Quickstart rules. They say that Momentum is +1 damage, not +1 damage die - so even more important than aramis erak's chart might suggest, if that's still the case.

Main weapons in the QS seem to do mostly 4 or 5 dice, so 3-ish damage on average before Momentum. (And somewhere around a 20% chance of doing 5+ with no momentum, based on a very approximate calculation in my head!)

Do you spend the Momentum before or after rolling damage dcie? I assume after - which makes me think that 1-point spends are going to be quite common, to turn 4 damage into 5. (That also makes me think that 1 point of armouor is pretty good in this system - it seems to make it quite a bit harder to get 5+ damage with these 4 and 5 dice weapons.)

Drugged Dwarf · Feb 5, 2017

I believe you can spend momentum AFTER you roll Damage. You can also use it to reroll some of your damage dice Once. You can ALSO use it to give yourself piercing to get through a creature's Thick armour, but you cannot use it to activate a weapon's ability.

imagineGod · Feb 5, 2017

Every game system has its detractors. The key to success is to have legions of dedicated fans. That is why Pathfinder, basically DnD3.5 re-skinned continues thriving and even expanding into Starfinder this year.

Anyway, "Conan: Adventures in an Age Undreamed Of" is flying the "2d20" flag to success at RPGNow so far (best selling title and 3rd best on DriveThruRPG). Hopefully, this trend continues for all the many sourcebooks including Kull of Atlantis.
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aramis erak · Feb 5, 2017

pemerton said:
[MENTION=6779310]aramis erak[/MENTION], [MENTION=4533]Reef[/MENTION]

I have the 3.5 version of the Quickstart rules. They say that Momentum is +1 damage, not +1 damage die - so even more important than aramis erak's chart might suggest, if that's still the case.

Main weapons in the QS seem to do mostly 4 or 5 dice, so 3-ish damage on average before Momentum. (And somewhere around a 20% chance of doing 5+ with no momentum, based on a very approximate calculation in my head!)

Do you spend the Momentum before or after rolling damage dcie? I assume after - which makes me think that 1-point spends are going to be quite common, to turn 4 damage into 5. (That also makes me think that 1 point of armouor is pretty good in this system - it seems to make it quite a bit harder to get 5+ damage with these 4 and 5 dice weapons.)

In STA, after... but there are actions which can add CD before rolling.

Here, have the raw data

Code:

 number of results by CD 
Ns	2 CD	3 CD	4 CD	5 CD	6 CD	7 CD	8 CD	9 CD	10 CD
0	4	8	16	32	64	128	256	512	1024
1	12	36	96	240	576	1344	3072	6912	15360
2	13	66	248	800	2352	6496	17152	43776	108800
3	6	63	360	1560	5760	19152	59136	172800	483840
4	1	33	321	1970	9420	38472	140896	476352	1514880
5	0	9	180	1683	10836	55692	245952	973728	3549312
6	0	1	62	985	8989	59906	325360	1529472	6456480
7	0	0	12	390	5418	48639	332688	1887408	9336960
8	0	0	1	100	2355	29953	265729	1854882	10901460
9	0	0	0	15	720	13923	166344	1462563	10377180
10	0	0	0	1	147	4809	81340	927441	8097453
11	0	0	0	0	18	1197	30744	471852	5188590
12	0	0	0	0	1	203	8806	191184	2725365
13	0	0	0	0	0	21	1848	60858	1167120
14	0	0	0	0	0	1	268	14886	403530
15	0	0	0	0	0	0	24	2700	110916
16	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	342	23670
17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	3780
18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	425
19	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	30
20	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
21	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ntot	36	216	1296	7776	46656	279936	1679616	10077696	60466176

and as percentages:

Code:

 percent of results by CD 
Ns	2 CD	3 CD	4 CD	5 CD	6 CD	7 CD	8 CD	9 CD	10 CD
0	11.11	3.7	1.23	0.41	0.14	0.05	0.02	0.01	0
1	33.33	16.67	7.41	3.09	1.23	0.48	0.18	0.07	0.03
2	36.11	30.56	19.14	10.29	5.04	2.32	1.02	0.43	0.18
3	16.67	29.17	27.78	20.06	12.35	6.84	3.52	1.71	0.8
4	2.78	15.28	24.77	25.33	20.19	13.74	8.39	4.73	2.51
5	0	4.17	13.89	21.64	23.23	19.89	14.64	9.66	5.87
6	0	0.46	4.78	12.67	19.27	21.4	19.37	15.18	10.68
7	0	0	0.93	5.02	11.61	17.38	19.81	18.73	15.44
8	0	0	0.08	1.29	5.05	10.7	15.82	18.41	18.03
9	0	0	0	0.19	1.54	4.97	9.9	14.51	17.16
10	0	0	0	0.01	0.32	1.72	4.84	9.2	13.39
11	0	0	0	0	0.04	0.43	1.83	4.68	8.58
12	0	0	0	0	0	0.07	0.52	1.9	4.51
13	0	0	0	0	0	0.01	0.11	0.6	1.93
14	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.02	0.15	0.67
15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.03	0.18
16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.04
17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.01
18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

Code:

 percent of results by CD 
S+	2 CD	3 CD	4 CD	5 CD	6 CD	7 CD	8 CD	9 CD	10 CD
0+	100	100	100	100	100	100	100	100	100
1+	88.89	96.3	98.77	99.59	99.86	99.95	99.98	99.99	100
2+	55.56	79.63	91.36	96.5	98.63	99.47	99.8	99.93	99.97
3+	19.44	49.07	72.22	86.21	93.59	97.15	98.78	99.49	99.79
4+	2.78	19.91	44.44	66.15	81.24	90.31	95.26	97.78	98.99
5+	0	4.63	19.68	40.82	61.05	76.57	86.87	93.05	96.49
6+	0	0.46	5.79	19.17	37.83	56.67	72.23	83.39	90.62
7+	0	0	1	6.51	18.56	35.27	52.86	68.21	79.94
8+	0	0	0.08	1.49	6.95	17.9	33.05	49.48	64.5
9+	0	0	0	0.21	1.9	7.2	17.23	31.08	46.47
10+	0	0	0	0.01	0.36	2.23	7.32	16.56	29.31
11+	0	0	0	0	0.04	0.51	2.48	7.36	15.92
12+	0	0	0	0	0	0.08	0.65	2.68	7.33
13+	0	0	0	0	0	0.01	0.13	0.78	2.83
14+	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.02	0.18	0.9
15+	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.03	0.23
16+	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.05
17+	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.01
18+	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

THis last is useful since you can add the soak to 5 and find the odds...
10 CD looks about the max from the preview...
I've had 10 CD rolled in ship combat in STA...

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