Concealing Amorpha Powers from XPH

I'm not trying to find the "ultimate rules truth," I just rry to find something that works and is balanced for my campaign. I have no trouble with allowing true seeing to pierce the thin layer of ectoplasm covering the psion. That doesn't strain my suspension of disbelief, and it's both balanced and consistent with magic.
 

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Caliban said:
So you think True Seeing can penetrate, or you do see it as yet another area where 3.5 Psionics are superior to magic?

Psionics tends to be inferior to magic, both arcane and divine.

For example:

Most powers are close range. This is a significant limitation.

No true invisibility.

Fly at 7th level instead of 5th if you are a Nomad, 9th level if you are not a Nomad and use a feat to get it, or at 11th level if you do not want to use a feat. Hence, not only do you get Fly much later, it is pricier relatively speaking (i.e. PPs).

Can slightly heal yourself at 5th level, but healing others takes two powers (and possibly an additional feat) and even then, the healing ability is pretty weak (and PP pricey).

More feats for "psion killers" to protect them from psions than feats for "mage killers" to protect them from magic.

Psionic damage tends to be similar to arcane damage for Kineticists, but inferior for all other psions (although there are some exceptions such as Mind Link where they do more damage if successful, but no damage if they are not successful, hence, the power gives up the half damage on a successful save in order to be more powerful if successful, but this is also single target).

Plus, a single Minor Globe of Invulnerability or Globe of Invulnerability will negate most of a psion's attack powers (if you are using psionics and magic are the same rules and possibly even if you are not DM dependent).

And, there also seem to be more psionic powers that are nearly or totally worthless (e.g. Quintessence, Co-opt Concentration, and even Psychic Vampire / Power Leech unless you run into a lot of psionic foes).


Most psionic powers tend to be pale imitations of their arcane and divine counterparts. So, although this allows psions to be versatile, psions also run out of gas real quick accomplishing slightly less in the process.


The only significant areas I see where psionics is better is in the areas of AC boosting, temporary hit point boosting, astral constuct creation (instead of summoning, but most psions need to use a feat to get it), divination type abilities (mostly because of no pricey material components) and lack of somatic/verbal/expensive material components (although the last one sometimes gets replaced with XP). There are some specific powers where psions have an edge, but there are not that many of them.

Even mind affecting powers (except possibly Brain Lock) do not seem that much more potent for psions and that should be their forte.
 

KarinsDad said:
Psionics tends to be inferior to magic, both arcane and divine.

I'm not going to debate this with you. I'll simply say that in my 3.5 experience, I have seen more overpowered/unblanced psionic powers and psionic power/feat combinations than I have seen with core spells and feats (spells/feats from non-core sources are a different story).

If you want to argue about it, start a different thread. I'm sure there are a few people willing to debate either side of the issue.
 
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Caliban said:
I'm not going to debate this with you. I'll simply say that in my 3.5 experience, I have seen more overpowered/unblanced psionic powers and psionic power/feat combinations than I have seen with core spells and feats (spells/feats from non-core sources are a different story).

If you want to argue about it, start a different thread. I'm sure there are a few people willing to debate either side of the issue.

Gosh Caliban, you do not seem to want to debate anything (but you do seem to want tell other people how to post, put in your superior two cents on an issue, and then leave as if there is nothing further to say :p ).

I also do not want to argue, but a good debate. Now that's fun! :D
 

Piratecat said:
I'm not trying to find the "ultimate rules truth," I just rry to find something that works and is balanced for my campaign. I have no trouble with allowing true seeing to pierce the thin layer of ectoplasm covering the psion. That doesn't strain my suspension of disbelief, and it's both balanced and consistent with magic.
But by the RAW, do you think that's how these powers & spells are to interact? Just curious, mind you.

And balance & consistency have no place in the Rules Forum. :D
 

KarinsDad said:
Gosh Caliban, you do not seem to want to debate anything (but you do seem to want tell other people how to post, put in your superior two cents on an issue, and then leave as if there is nothing further to say :p ).

I also do not want to argue, but a good debate. Now that's fun! :D

Now who's being antagonistic? I simply didn't want to hijack this thread further, which is why I suggested that you start another thread if you want to discuss it.

However, I probably won't participate in that debate anyway.

To put it simply: I do not want to debate anything with you in particular. You can be every bit as superior and unbending as you accuse me of being, and no good will come of us trying to debate anything. We have different interpretations when reading the rules, and neither one will back down. Sooner or later one or the other of us will take offense and escalate things.
 
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saucercrab said:
And balance & consistency have no place in the Rules Forum. :D

I can't express how much I disagree with that statement. That attitude makes many debates essentially worthless.
 
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KarinsDad said:
Gosh Caliban, you do not seem to want to debate anything (but you do seem to want tell other people how to post, put in your superior two cents on an issue, and then leave as if there is nothing further to say :p ).

Suspended for three days for explicitly ignoring moderator instructions (see post #35.) I'm not kidding here, folks.
 

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