D&D 4E Concerned with 4e now, do you agree or not?

[Psion]

To me, the talent representing the best abilities thing is the most positive thing I have heard about 4e, outstripping my previous favorite aspect of SWSE style defense factors. I've always felt the class is the core building block of D&D characters, and disdain systems that try to make feats the main building block (True20, I am looking at you.) Painful past experience has proven to me that removing the structure of the class leads to confusion, indecision, and min-maxing among overlapping and significant subsets of the player base.

Now if they don't screw up skills, they may recapture my interest.

Odd names are a mild concern, but I chose "I have other concerns". Scrapping of the previous metasetting/"conceptual compatibility", "coring" of blatantly un-core elements and kid gloved approach to lethal effects remain my deepest concerns.

 

[Gundark]

I'm not getting worked up about names....espically feats. Not worth my effort.

I don't have a problem with certain powers belonging to certain classes...I suspect that we may need to change our mindset about certain classes for 4e.

 

[Wolfspider]

I LOVE IT.

I'd sig it, but it's too long... Maybe I can find a piece...

There's a way to abbreviate that passage that is even easier than the spoiler tag.

Just put "Strawman" in your sig.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

1) Feh. I happen to like evocative names. I suspect a lot of people do, too. Also, I can think of many feat names that don't specifically describe what they do. Just as an example, Robilar's Gambit...is that about chess, energized playing cards, or what? And, frankly, if you don't know what a feat does, it shouldn't be on your character sheet.

And if you're the DM? Sometimes, despite my awe-inspiring mnemonic abilities, even I need to look stuff up.

 

[Aage]

I love how everyone seems totally scared by multiclassing and acts like their character is in an Order of the stick world, were you actually walk around say:

"I'm a fighter14 with two rogue talents and one wizard spell."

They don't. That character might refer to himself as master of the [insert name]. Fighter, rogue, wizard, multiclass etc is just text on a paper...

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

There's a way to abbreviate that passage that is even easier than the spoiler tag.

Just put "Strawman" in your sig.

Why do you consider it a strawman? Because you personally don't feel inconvenienced by non-descript fluff?

 

[Wormwood]

They don't. That character might refer to himself as master of the [insert name]. Fighter, rogue, wizard, multiclass etc is just text on a paper...

One of the neat features in SW:Saga is its fluid and simple multiclassing.

Frex: My Star Wars character was a Smuggler. The fact that his sheet had Noble2/Soldier3/Jedi1 on it didn't matter.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

I love how everyone seems totally scared by multiclassing and acts like their character is in an Order of the stick world, were you actually walk around say:

"I'm a fighter14 with two rogue talents and one wizard spell."

They don't. That character might refer to himself as master of the [insert name]. Fighter, rogue, wizard, multiclass etc is just text on a paper...

Which is a very good reason to name feats and such based on what they do, rather than terrible fluff text. If you're not going to be talking about them in-character, they don't need in-character names.

 

[Aage]

Which is a very good reason to name feats and such based on what they do, rather than terrible fluff text. If you're not going to be talking about them in-character, they don't need in-character names.

I totally agree.

 

[The Little Raven]

1) Overly colorful names for feats (and their like) with Golden Wyvern adept.

Well, considering that Golden Wyvern is the name of an organization, any feat that makes you a member of that organization better have the name in it.

This is because players reference and use this rules, so I can not remove them or rename them as a DM like I can a monster or magic item.

So, you aren't able to exert yourself as the ultimate authority in your own games, which is what Rule Zero is all about? That sounds like a personal problem.

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As for Dr. Awkward's "Azure Tragic Howitzer" nonsense, it's exactly that... nonsense. We've already seen plenty of indication that feats will be named simply for exactly what they do: Toughness makes you tougher (more HP), Golden Wyvern Adept makes you an adept in the magical tradition of the Golden Wyvern.