Confessions of a 4e DM- I said no

[Obryn]

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It's utter lunacy to think that somehow you as the DM are forbidden to say "no" to your players.

If this is what D&D has become, I weep for the future.
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You're missing the point.

He was making fun of himself and the say-yes philosophy. It is always okay to say no to stuff that won't make sense.

-O

 

[Ginnel]

Ok lets explain the humor the DMG for 4th edition has a section in it explaining how its a good thing to say Yes to players, and you should try to do this as much as you can, generally incorporating buts, or ifs with your yes....

...and it also says saying No is ok too, just try thinking about what would happen if you said Yes first.

This thread is amusing because people misunderstand this/misinterpret this as the 4th edition DM always having to say YES to any suggestion the players have.

So Shabe is shock horror going against the whole 4th edition "ethos" (even though it isn't the stated ethos) and taking the funny out of this misinterpretation while at the same time asking for opinions on whether other people would have said yes or not.

That help?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

It's the notion that saying "NO" should cause any drama at all.

Really?

"No, your fighter wouldn't do that."
"No, you can't multiclass into a Wizard. Wizardry takes years of training!"
"No, you can't take the special shot of the Kobold Slingers. This is a monster special ability!"
"No, you can't swing the chandelier. That's not RAW!"
"No, I don't love you."

A "No" can cause a lot of drama.

 

[Shabe]

You're missing the point.

He was making fun of himself and the say-yes philosophy. It is always okay to say no to stuff that won't make sense.

-O

Got it in one, although i'm rethinking my position on glowstick commando dragonborn, maybe i should insist they wear facepaint too

 

[Wicht]

This thread is amusing because people misunderstand this/misinterpret this as the 4th edition DM always having to say YES to any suggestion the players have.

Ah. Got it.

There is apparently an edition gap in the communication of the humor.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Got it in one, although i'm rethinking my position on glowstick commando dragonborn, maybe i should insist they wear facepaint too

Hmm. Klingons don't wear face paint... On the other hand, Dragonborn don't have beards and long hair, so maybe this is a fair compromise.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

You know, it wasn't the thought of "Always say yes!" that got me so much as the example was, literally, the player telling the DM what to do, and that being passed on as the advice for how to DM

 

[Scribble]

You know, it wasn't the thought of "Always say yes!" that got me so much as the example was, literally, the player telling the DM what to do, and that being passed on as the advice for how to DM

The one about the Wizard's Guild, or the one about the DM and his 9 year old son?

 

[fba827]

Hi my name is Shabe, and I said No (insert gasps of horror).

I've reported your post on the grounds that you said "no"

And everyone else who has confessed to saying no as a DM has also been reported.

All of you miscreants shall forever be demoted back to "the other side of the DM screen"

Please turn in your DM card and roll up a character like all the other minion players...




Note: no actual reporting took place. It was said in jest

 

[ryryguy]

The best continual light use I remember from AD&D days was that it was cast on one player character's teeth. So he had a smile that literally lit up the room.

Strangely enough it was one of the only things to survive an encounter with a beholder's anti magic ray.