Consider the Cannoli: Subjective Preferences and Conversations about Geek Media


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Dannyalcatraz

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In the veterinary field, much (perhaps even most) of the time, getting the full number of hours of CE requires going to events out of state.
Traveling for CLE is almost always optional.

I’ve been to two out of state CLE meetings, both for Entertainment law in NOLA. Now I barely travel in state, and do most of my studies online. Definitely miss the fun to be had while traveling.

The one out of state CLE class I wanted to attend but didn’t was a rare thing. I had been a member of the bar for about 18mo when I got a flyer talking about a CLE course being offered on The Oriental Express. No, really- get on at one end, taking courses while you traveled. Make stops in exotic locales. Etc. It was about $4500 back in the late 1990s, and was all-inclusive.

I’ve only seen one other analogously exotic CLE course since then. Southwest jeweler & artist Ray Tracey hosted an entertainment law/copyright course on his ranch. But he became a bit of a recluse after his son died.
 

MGibster

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In my wife's profession, there's yearly requirements necessary to maintain the license, but it is just referred to as CE - Continuing Education, without bothering to say that is is Veterinary.
Same. When I go to HR conferences, some of the seminars I take qualify as CE for lawyers and of course I get points to maintain my accreditation as well.
 

Umbran

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Traveling for CLE is almost always optional.

I’ve been to two out of state CLE meetings, both for Entertainment law in NOLA. Now I barely travel in state, and do most of my studies online. Definitely miss the fun to be had while traveling.

So, if you don't mind me asking - how many hours of CLE do you need a year?

While there are some things that might be called "meetings" for Veterinary CE, she'd need a stack of them each year - the most efficient way to get them is to go to a CE conference. There are significant limits to how much can be done online.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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So, if you don't mind me asking - how many hours of CLE do you need a year?
15 hours per year, at least 3 of which must be considered Ethics.

It’s stereotypically amusing that it’s the Ethics hours that are hardest to get. I’ll see all kinds of courses that will offer 6-15 hours of CLE…with 1 hour of Ethics.
 

Snarf Zagyg

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15 hours per year, at least 3 of which must be considered Ethics.

It’s stereotypically amusing that it’s the Ethics hours that are hardest to get. I’ll see all kinds of courses that will offer 6-15 hours of CLE…with 1 hour of Ethics.

I would add this to the answer, and also in response to @Umbran ...

CLEs are mandated by the state bar, and law is intensely local. Different states will have different requirements. Some have requirements by year, some by reporting cycle (such as every three years). Some are mandatory, and some are permissive.

Some states have low requirements (Alaska, for example, has a requirement of three hours per year in ethics that are mandatory, Hawaii has a requirement of three per year, and three in ethics every three years), some have no requirements (Maryland, D.C.), but the vast majority require somewhere between 12 and 15 hours per year, reported a yearly, biannual, or every three-year basis.

In addition, there are attorneys that carry multiple bar licenses, and in that case there is always the issue of which CLEs are eligible to be used in multiple jurisdictions.

Finally, in my experience, I have noticed a general divide between attorneys when it comes to CLEs. Some love going to luncheons of "events" and view the CLE as an excuse (often with the ability to "write it off") to travel somewhere and have a good time while getting their CLEs too. Others view it as a continuing nuisance, and will wait to the last minute and then do some quick on-line CLEs to make up the requirement each time.

ETA- But yeah, Danny is correct. I've never said to myself, "Self, I'm going to that CLE for the great food. Yummy Bahn Mi and ethics, yo!"
 

Dannyalcatraz

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But yeah, Danny is correct. I've never said to myself, "Self, I'm going to that CLE for the great food. Yummy Bahn Mi and ethics, yo!"
There’s a couple I got VERY lucky with.

I attended one that was hosted in an office tower’s “penthouse level” private club/restaurant where the buffet was so good, I made a public pig of myself. I wasn’t alone in my spectacle, though- that was the predominant grazing behavior of most of the attendees!😜

There was similar one held at an exclusive country club.

And the Dallas Bar Association has CLE brunches at the Belo Mansion (the DBA’s home) that are good for 15-30 minutes of CLE per day. But that’s only convenient if you’re actually working in downtown Dallas. I’ve only been to a couple in the past 20+ years.

But the best? It was an under-attended sports & entertainment law CLE in the dining hall of a family-owned Mexican restaurant in San Antonio. (My mentor and I were the only ones there…and he was running the event!) As it turns out, the family had a son who had just started law school out of state, and I reminded them of him. So they FED me like him, including giving me the house specially (slow-roasted rotisserie cabrito) on the last day of lectures.

I still have the restaurant in my phone contacts, and try to go wherever I’m back in San Antonio.

Beyond that, I was pretty much on my own if I wanted a decent meal.
 

Snarf Zagyg

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There’s a couple I got VERY lucky with.

I never thought that it could happen to me! I was just a freshman at a small midwestern university. Little did I know that when I told the smokin' hot Teaching Assistant in my Physics 101 class that I played Dungeons & Dragons, that she was really into dungeons....

Oh. That's not what you meant.... Nevermind....
 

Orius

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Real KFC (Korean Fried Chicken, aka Chikin) is amazing.

To be honest, when I've been in Asia, most of the places I've been to have had fried chicken that would put most places in America to shame. Not all; you can still get some amazing fried chicken if you know where to go. But the quality of "regular" fried chicken you can get from a random street vendor in Vietnam or Thailand puts Popeye's to shame.

I'm still unsure if KFC or Karaage (a Japanese style of fried chicken) is better, but I would not want to have to choose between the two.... if forced, I would have BOTH!

I would imagine if you want good fried chicken here in the states, you do NOT go to a chain franchise, but you get something authentic from the South.
 

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