Cleon
Hero
Yes, I'm aware of that but we've made it a Magical Beast hyenawere, so it's a therianthrope with an animal form as its true form.
Still, I don't mind dropping the natural form.
Converting Al-Qadim creatures
- Thread starter Shade
- Start date
Yes, I'm aware of that but we've made it a Magical Beast hyenawere, so it's a therianthrope with an animal form as its true form.
Still, I don't mind dropping the natural form.
Cleon
Hero
I'll try to remember to remove it with the next update.
Hmm, I'd like to give it at least one feat that's the same as a Hyena.
The Cave Hyena has Alertness and Weapon Focus (bite), so maybe give it the former?
Cleon
Hero
I guess so. Not sure Combat Reflexes quite fits them, but can't think of anything better.
Updating the Hyenawere Working Draft.
Cleon
Hero
Hmm, the working draft's Hide and Move Silently seem a bit low. Maybe we should give them Stealthy instead of Combat Reflexes?
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
There's nothing in the original text that makes me think they're particularly great at stealth, more other types of deception. But I'm ok with switching to Stealthy if you really prefer it.
Did we ever decide on the bonus type for Befriend? I prefer racial a bit better, but it can be typeless if you have a strong preference.
Did we ever decide on the bonus type for Befriend? I prefer racial a bit better, but it can be typeless if you have a strong preference.
Cleon
Hero
Well there's not much to suggest they've got fast combat reactions either.
The entry describes them as lying in wait for a victim lured out by a "point man", so they must be somewhat stealthy.
Still, a +5 is a reasonable modifier for preying on 1st level Commoners, so I'm okay leaving them as they are.
I was leaning toward typeless since that's what the Krenshar's scare uses, but it doesn't make much of a difference to me.
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Well, we could swap Combat Reflexes for Imp Init, which is sort of stealth-related and certainly useful in an ambush.
I don't know how the krenshar's scare is related to befriend here. Tell you what, I'll roll a die below. 1-2 for racial, 3-4 for typeless. Oh, and Befriend seems like it should be Su to me. EDIT: the die says racial bonus.
Just add pass without trace as an SLA? Or just give them a druid's trackless step?
I don't know how the krenshar's scare is related to befriend here. Tell you what, I'll roll a die below. 1-2 for racial, 3-4 for typeless. Oh, and Befriend seems like it should be Su to me. EDIT: the die says racial bonus.
Just add pass without trace as an SLA? Or just give them a druid's trackless step?
Cleon
Hero
It reads more like Trackless Step to me, so I was going to go for an adaptation of that.
How about...
Traceless Path (Su): A hyenawere in hyena form can move through any kind of terrain while leaving neither footprints nor scent, making nonmagical tracking impossible. It may choose to leave a trail if it desires.
Cleon
Hero
I'm liking Improved Initiative for them better.
I was using it as a model by changing the Krenshar's scary-fying into friendly-fying.
It's (Ex or Su) because the Diplomacy check effects are (Ex) and the charm person effects are (Su).
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Traceless Path as you have it works for me.
Let's go with Imp Init since you like it better.
I'd prefer to make Befriend Su. The charm is certainly Su, so we need to go with that. Furthermore, it's reasonable to argue that the Diplomacy bonus also comes from the infusion of magic in the hyenawere body and mind or something. The reason I don't like the comparison to the krenshar is that the krenshar literally pulls back a flap of skin around its head to expose muscles, etc, and there's nothing like that at all going on here.
Let's go with Imp Init since you like it better.
I'd prefer to make Befriend Su. The charm is certainly Su, so we need to go with that. Furthermore, it's reasonable to argue that the Diplomacy bonus also comes from the infusion of magic in the hyenawere body and mind or something. The reason I don't like the comparison to the krenshar is that the krenshar literally pulls back a flap of skin around its head to expose muscles, etc, and there's nothing like that at all going on here.
Cleon
Hero
Well, I guess it'll only make a difference if the Hyenawere's victims are in an antimagic field, and that probably won't happen often.
Okay, Improved Initiative and Supernatural Befriending it is then.
Updating the Hyenawere Working Draft.
Did we decide on the type for the Diplomacy bonus? It ought to be enhancement or typeless, since racial bonus doesn't really fit a (Su) power.
Cleon
Hero
Sure, I was leaning that way since the Krenshar's scare bonus is also typeless.
Anything else in the way of special abilities, or shall I update?
Cleon
Hero
I'd go for CR 4. They've got more HD and better BAB/hp/saves than a Werewolf and a useful supernatural special attack, plus Cold Iron is a special material that's rarely wielded by low level PCs.
Cleon
Hero
I'll update it when I get the chance.
Aristocrat!
The Tome of Horrors and Enworld versions of the Wolfwere don't seem to list a favoured class, so maybe we should just leave it out?
Failing that, I'd lean towards Rogue.
Similar Threads
