Converting Epic Level Creatures

[Shade]

Exhale.

Looks great!

Well, I guess I was thinking about the Spell Focus feats, but we can always just fill them in with the appropriate school later if we want.

And I was forgetting that as a spontaneous caster, she'll apply metamagic feats on the fly.

Just a question while I ponder what epic feats to aim toward: what are the 4 metamagic feats the Faerie Queen uses as prereqs for Improved Metamagic? I only get 3, and that's counting Automatic Quicken. Do the Improved Spell Capacity feats count?

Nope, it doesn't. You caught us in a blunder!

 

[freyar]

That's a nice draft on that spell list!

Re: Faerie Queen's feats. Assuming Automatic Quicken should count as metamagic even though it's only labeled as Epic, we can just swap one Improved Spell Capacity for any metamagic feat. Heck, we could even do Automatic Quicken again if we want.

 

[demiurge1138]

What are the Faerie Queen's previous metamagic feats? Extend or Heighten leap to mind as ones that might benefit her.

 

[freyar]

Extend and Quicken. I've been looking at the epic feats, and I notice that Automatic Quicken doesn't have the [Metamagic] tag in the SRD (like Automatic Still and Silent), though other epic metamagic feats do (like Intensify Spell is [Epic] [Metamagic]). So Automatic Quicken may not count as a prereq for Improved Metamagic either. We may have to revise her feats quite a bit.

For reference, here she is.

Edit: returning to the Unseelie Queen for a moment, let's make sure she gets limited wish and geas/quest for spells known, since they are pretty important for making constructs.

 

[Shade]

Extend and Quicken. I've been looking at the epic feats, and I notice that Automatic Quicken doesn't have the [Metamagic] tag in the SRD (like Automatic Still and Silent), though other epic metamagic feats do (like Intensify Spell is [Epic] [Metamagic]). So Automatic Quicken may not count as a prereq for Improved Metamagic either. We may have to revise her feats quite a bit.

Why don't we just drop Improved Metamagic and replace it with another Automatic Quicken as you mentioned upthread?

Edit: returning to the Unseelie Queen for a moment, let's make sure she gets limited wish and geas/quest for spells known, since they are pretty important for making constructs.

Good suggestion! We should figure out which constructs she'd most often create, and make sure she has the prereq spells. Iron golem needs cloudkill beyond the two you mentioned above.

 

[demiurge1138]

Item mastery and her UMD skill would also help her get access to scrolls, wands and staves with construct-making spells on them. And hey! Adventure hook.

 

[Shade]

Good point!

 

[freyar]

I like the idea of fixing the Faerie Queen by dropping Improved Metamagic and doubling Automatic Quicken. Improved Metamagic was a nice feat and nice theme, but it just didn't work. (Upthread, I'd been thinking of dropping Improved Spell Capacity, but this way she can keep that.)

OTOH, I don't like the scroll/wand/staff idea. First off, she's a high-CR villain, so I'm not feeling the adventure hook. Also, she's CL 20, so she ought to be able to do this stuff herself, especially since we're going with a "construct master" vibe. Make sense?

 

[demiurge1138]

Why exactly are we going for a construct master vibe again?

Anyway, I wasn't denying that we should tweak her spell-list so she can get some construct-related spells like geas/quest, limited wish and cloudkill (although we could give her wish and mention in her descriptive text that she uses it often to duplicate spells needed for her golem crafting), just that we shouldn't worry about giving her all of them for all of the constructs avaliable.

 

[freyar]

You mentioned Craft Construct and the Golden Army?

That's fine, then, all I'm really concerned about are geas/quest and limited wish as those are really common prereq spells.