Converting Epic Level Creatures

[freyar]

But right now, it has a bad case of indigestion.

Can I get you to agree?

 

[Cleon]

But right now, it has a bad case of indigestion.

Can I get you to agree?

How about we meet halfway with half the insight bonus, for AC 64?

 

[freyar]

Sure, just to move along, though I still can't say I see the reasoning other than wanting a higher AC.

Actually, a question: how are you getting the gizzard AC to be 64 or 74? It should be 10+1/2 natural + divine + 1 or 1/2 or 0 insight = 45, 55, or 65.

Anyway, if we want a higher gizzard AC, I'd prefer to use 10+divine+1/2 natural and just boost the natural armor bonus a bunch. Devastation vermin have a considerably higher natural armor, and even a tarrasque has +30. These should be much, much tougher.

 

[Shade]

Anyway, if we want a higher gizzard AC, I'd prefer to use 10+divine+1/2 natural and just boost the natural armor bonus a bunch. Devastation vermin have a considerably higher natural armor, and even a tarrasque has +30. These should be much, much tougher.

Yeah, the natural armor should be on-par with its peers.

 

[Cleon]

Sure, just to move along, though I still can't say I see the reasoning other than wanting a higher AC.

Actually, a question: how are you getting the gizzard AC to be 64 or 74? It should be 10+1/2 natural + divine + 1 or 1/2 or 0 insight = 45, 55, or 65.

Dang it, I got 74 by subtracting half its NA from its full AC, and forgot that included Dex and size adjustments.

Anyway, if we want a higher gizzard AC, I'd prefer to use 10+divine+1/2 natural and just boost the natural armor bonus a bunch. Devastation vermin have a considerably higher natural armor, and even a tarrasque has +30. These should be much, much tougher.

I'd be quite happy to increase natural armor and wouldn't mind improving the divine bonus too.

We need to reconsider what AC to aim for. 120+?

 

[freyar]

So something like +50 natural, +30 divine?

 

[Cleon]

So something like +50 natural, +30 divine?

Keeping the +20 insight?

10 -8 size, +7 Dex, +50 natural, +30 divine, +20 insight
=> AC 109, touch 59, flat-footed 102, swallow AC 65

If we want AC ~120 I'd increase the natural to +60

10 -8 size, +7 Dex, +60 natural, +30 divine, +20 insight
=> AC 119, touch 59, flat-footed 107, swallow AC 70

 

[freyar]

Insight is supposed to be Wis based, so yes, let's keep it, and it would then be +20.

I'm ok with natural of +50 or +60, either way.

 

[Cleon]

Insight is supposed to be Wis based, so yes, let's keep it, and it would then be +20.

I'm ok with natural of +50 or +60, either way.

Same here, shall we leave it to "Ye Olde Shaidie One"?

 

[freyar]

Ummm, let's just go with +60 unless Shade objects, so we can potentially move along. Have we now finished the maw/swallow whole bit?