OK, you've sold me on it. It seems awkward, so maybe they should be secondary weapons or something. And add in something like barbed defense?
The spines are the only things listed on the AD&D Pungi's attack & damage lines, but I can certainly see them as being ungainly enough to be secondary weapons - they're on the fish's back, after all.OK, you've sold me on it. It seems awkward, so maybe they should be secondary weapons or something. And add in something like barbed defense?
I desire a delightful dodecahedron.OK, it seems we're agreed on making them a secondary attack. Same damage as for the spiny defense or a bit less?
Hmm... I can see us making it something simple. Say, the damage depends on the size of the creature stepping on the Ray.Oh. Hmmm. That seems a bit awkward, and I'd think we'd have to do a table, so the damage levels off if the stepping creature is so large that its foot is bigger than the ray.
I'd be OK making it a single damage figure regardless of size in keeping with standard 3E.You know, I'm just not feeling it. I'm going to guess that other critters with spiny/barbed defense has similar "attacks per size" mechanisms originally that got removed in 3.X. In fact, I'm pretty sure we did that for some hazards, though I don't think any of our "recent" hazard conversions ever made it to the actual CC, which means I can't search easily.
I was thinking of breaking it up into three paragraphs. One for defence, one for offence and on for the "living caltrops" effect.OK, so we have something like
Spiny Defense (Ex): Any creature stepping on a pungi ray or striking a pungi ray with handheld weapons or natural weapons takes 1d12+X points of piercing and slashing damage from the ray's spines and is exposed to the ray's poison. Note that weapons with exceptional reach, such as longspears, do not endanger their users in this way. A creature that steps on a pungi ray further has its speed reduced by one-half because its foot is wounded.
Then add Impale for grappling?
Existing precedents such as a Hamatula's Barbed Defense indicate such powers usually use the Strength modifier for damage.Shouldn't the "stepping on the pungi" damage also be 1d12+X rather than just 1d12? And is +X = Con bonus?
Gah... that's a good point.Hmmmm. The hamatula's Con is the same as its Str. How do you know it's Str and not Con in that case?
Pshaw, next you'll be telling me they brought out some products in too much of a hurry to find all the stat errors.Or perhaps WotC didn't always know what it was doing?
So healthy critters have sharper spines? I guess there's a sort of logic in that.My vote is Con bonus since I think it's always a passive attack with a bonus due to the intrinsic "spiny-ness" of the spines.
Well the standard AD&D versions from both the 2E Monstrous Compendium Volume One and the 1E Monster Manual have "save or die instantly", so I'd like the poison to be pretty nasty.Yup, that'll do well enough.
Oddly, I don't see that we've worked out the poison for these. Sounds like fairly hefty Con damage, maybe 1d6/1d6 or so. What do you think?