Converting monsters from Second Edition Monstrous Compendiums

[Cleon]

Yep.

Standard treasure appeals.

Anything else beside flavor?

Don't think so.

Updating Working Draft.

 

[Cleon]

So, any ideas for the flavour?

 

[freyar]

These appear to be stocky lizardfolk with bulging eyes. ??

Then some background about a brutally militaristic society?

Are the subterranean lizards close enough to the Forge of Fury ones, or should we conver those too?

 

[Cleon]

These appear to be stocky lizardfolk with bulging eyes. ??

Then some background about a brutally militaristic society?

Close-knit tribal society. Hate gibberlings. Enslaved by drow. Eaten by troglodytes.

Found in underwater lakes and rivers.

Hmm, should we give these "aquatic" lizardfolk the Amphibious quality?

Are the subterranean lizards close enough to the Forge of Fury ones, or should we conver those too?

If I could remember what the Forge of Fury ones were like I might be able to tell you.

 

[freyar]

Ok, you seem to have a better feel for these.

I thought amphibious was only for critters with the aquatic subtype.

 

[Cleon]

Ok, you seem to have a better feel for these.

I thought amphibious was only for critters with the aquatic subtype.

There's no rule to that effect that I'm aware off.

The SRD Toad has the Amphibious SQ, and it isn't Aquatic.

 

[Shade]

There's no rule to that effect that I'm aware off.

The SRD Toad has the Amphibious SQ, and it isn't Aquatic.

Yeah, it sure doesn't seem definitive. The Monster Types and Abilities section just has this...

Aquatic Subtype: These creatures always have swim speeds and thus can move in water without making Swim checks. An aquatic creature can breathe underwater. It cannot also breathe air unless it has the amphibious special quality.

Like Cleon pointed out, the toad has the SQ, but no description of it. The rest of the SRD monsters that have it, though, are all Aquatic and have this in the combat section...

Amphibious (Ex): Although <monster name> are aquatic, they can survive indefinitely on land.

Honestly, I see no issue with just giving them the Aquatic subtype to avoid confusion.

 

[freyar]

These don't feel too aquatic to me, exactly. I think I'd leave them as they are. Or else just increase the duration of hold breath.

 

[Shade]

These don't feel too aquatic to me, exactly. I think I'd leave them as they are. Or else just increase the duration of hold breath.

Aquatic or not aquatic? Truly, I'm not bothered either way.

 

[freyar]

I vote for not aquatic, but let's see what Cleon thinks.