Converting prehistoric creatures
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demiurge1138
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Huge dire camel and large giant camel?
Shade
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Sounds great!
Stats for existing camels:
Camel: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 2, Wis 11, Cha 4
Camel, Dromedary: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 1, Wis 11, Cha 4
Camel, Two-Humped: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 1, Wis 11, Cha 4
Camel, War: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 5, gains two hoof attacks
The last three are from Sandstorm, and all three have the following additional ability:
Sure Feet (Ex): War camels have broad feet that help them travel easily over sand and similar loose surfaces. They treat shallow sand as normal terrain and deep sand as shallow sand. See Sand Travel, page 18 of Sandstorm, for descriptions of shallow and deep sand.
Stats for existing camels:
Camel: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 2, Wis 11, Cha 4
Camel, Dromedary: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 1, Wis 11, Cha 4
Camel, Two-Humped: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 1, Wis 11, Cha 4
Camel, War: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 5, gains two hoof attacks
The last three are from Sandstorm, and all three have the following additional ability:
Sure Feet (Ex): War camels have broad feet that help them travel easily over sand and similar loose surfaces. They treat shallow sand as normal terrain and deep sand as shallow sand. See Sand Travel, page 18 of Sandstorm, for descriptions of shallow and deep sand.
demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
Well, the ur-cameloids weren't necessarily in sandy conditions, but Titanotylopus did have the true camel-toe. I think we can drop the sandwalking for the giant camel, but keep it for the dire.
We should also do something about how they require less food and water than other creatures of their size. I don't know why Sandstorm dropped camel intelligence to 1.
We should also do something about how they require less food and water than other creatures of their size. I don't know why Sandstorm dropped camel intelligence to 1.
RavinRay
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Sandstorm doesn't have a dire camel, but it does have a dire giraffe, the camelopardalis IIRC, which was meant for desert environments. As demiurge pointed out, some camels like Alticamelus weren't desert mammals, so maybe they didn't have any special starvation and thirst adaptations, but the dire camel could. Alticamelus is on the back flap cover of one of my prehistory books, done by the late legendary artist Zdenek Burian.
Maybe one of the Sandstorm writers got spat on by an irritated camel and dumbed down their Int as revenge.
Maybe one of the Sandstorm writers got spat on by an irritated camel and dumbed down their Int as revenge.
InsanePsychoRabbit
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Maybe one of the Sandstorm writers got spat on by an irritated camel and dumbed down their Int as revenge.
*giggle*
Well certainly Titanotylopus is bigger than a modern camel, so we should give it better Str. Let's take the war camel abilities and bump the Str up to 20 or more.
Shade
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Maybe one of the Sandstorm writers got spat on by an irritated camel and dumbed down their Int as revenge.
That reminded me of Conan's experience in one of the Conan movies.
So...
Alticamelus = use giraffe stats?
Giant Camel (Titanotylopus): Str 22, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 5? Give it hoof attacks like the war camel, or stick with bite only? No surefooted ability.
Dire Camel: Str 26, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 5? Retain surefooted ability.
demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
I think "stamp" is a better wording than "hoof", and I don't see any reason why the giant camel shouldn't get 'em.
InsanePsychoRabbit
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I think Titanotylopus should get forefoot attacks no matter what we call them. I like the ability scores.
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