Core Handbook Errors Discussion

[Fredrik Svanberg]

No you're not. Reach weapons only threaten adjacent squares.

Oh, ok. Nevermind then. But perhaps the guy who wrote up the list for what abilities goes with what weapons made the same mistake I did.

 

[zoroaster100]

The warlord builds are transposed, at least as far as at-will powers. The at-will powers suggested for inspired warlord are intelligence based and the at-will powes suggested for tactical warlord are charisma based, when they should be the opposite.

 

[Nikodemus]

Not sure if this one has been noted (I didn't read the whole thread). The summary table for mutli-class feats says that Pact initiate grants eldritch blast once per encounter. The actual description of the feat says that you get the at will power of your chosen pact once per encounter.

 

[RigaMortus2]

The warlord builds are transposed, at least as far as at-will powers. The at-will powers suggested for inspired warlord are intelligence based and the at-will powes suggested for tactical warlord are charisma based, when they should be the opposite.

Well, Furious Smash is ok for the inspiring warlord's at will, because part of it's effect is based off Charisma.

The two that are suggested for the tactical warlord (intel based warlord) do not take advantage of intelligence or charisma, so either one of them will work with either build.

So the only fubar I see is selecting Commander's Strike for the inspiring warlord, since it utilizes intelligence and not charisma. It's still not bad, but is probably more useful for the tactical warlord. The inspiring warlord still does use intel, it is just suggested to be the least important of the important stats.

Should look like this...

Inspiring Warlord
Suggested At-Wills: Furious Smash, Viper's Strike OR Wolf Pack Tactics.

Tactical Warlord
Suggested At-Wills: Commander's Strike, Viper's Strike OR Wolf Pack Tactics.

 

[Oldtimer]

On page 281, the image that shows how a Burst 2 works doesn't seem right to me. Wouldn't the 2 top left squares be affected by the burst as well?

No. Using normal movement rules, those squares are more than 2 distant from the origin square. Except for the first square, the burst seems to use normal movement rules. It seems to work similar to a Spread in 3.5e.

 

[Kraydak]

No. Using normal movement rules, those squares are more than 2 distant from the origin square. Except for the first square, the burst seems to use normal movement rules. It seems to work similar to a Spread in 3.5e.

A) The top, second from left square is only 2 away from the origin square.
B) I don't see any indication that bursts/blasts care about obstacles when determining their area.

 

[fuzzlewump]

For the burst picture on 281, I think if you can draw a line from any corner of the origin square to a corner of another square and also cross the actual area inside of the square in question at the same time, then that square is effected. Oh, and the square whose corner is touched and area is crossed must be within burst X.

I don't really see any mention of it, but that works for me.

 

[Flazzy]

STUNNED
✦ You grant combat advantage.
✦ You can’t take actions.
✦ You can’t flank an enemy.

DELAY: NO ACTION
✦ Delay Entire Turn: ...You also can’t delay if you’re dazed or if
you’re unable to take actions.

End Harmful Effects after You Act: ...For example, if an enemy
stunned you until the end of your next turn, the
stunned condition ends. You can’t avoid a harmful
effect by delaying.

 

[Oldtimer]

A) The top, second from left square is only 2 away from the origin square.
B) I don't see any indication that bursts/blasts care about obstacles when determining their area.

A) No, since you can't use the diagonal (can't move diagonally past a blocked square), it is 3 away from the origin.
B) Page 280: "When you make an area attack or a close attack, a target has cover if there is an obstruction between the origin square and the target" I take that as an indication that they care about obstacles.

 

[Oldtimer]

Here is another detail they missed:
The skill Nature is keyed of Wisdom, but in the class skill list for Wizard it says: "Nature (Int)".

 

[Kraydak]

A) No, since you can't use the diagonal (can't move diagonally past a blocked square), it is 3 away from the origin.
B) Page 280: "When you make an area attack or a close attack, a target has cover if there is an obstruction between the origin square and the target" I take that as an indication that they care about obstacles.

A) point, but point B still holds (and if that statue is adequately big, the argument holds for the top right corner, too)
B) top right corner also has cover and is still getting hit.

 

[Donovan Morningfire]

This much required errata is ridiculous. They should have released the near-final pdf's to the public for a nominal fee and used everyone as proofreaders.

Agreed. Green Ronin does this with for their Mutants & Masterminds line, and even set up official errata threads on their company message boards to list the errors and then try to correct as many as possible before the book goes to print. And as an added bonus, give those that bought the pre-release pdfs the option to update with the corrected version a bit later after the book hits the shelves. And it's worked out pretty well so far

And fairly certain everyone knows the Microsoft rant of them putting a new OS on the market and letting the end-users serve as beta-testers...

 

[Fifth Element]

This much required errata is ridiculous. They should have released the near-final pdf's to the public for a nominal fee and used everyone as proofreaders.

LOL. Seriously.

 

[Fifth Element]

And it's worked out pretty well so far

For Green Ronin, a small, privately-held (so far as I know) company.

Try selling this to management of a large corporation: "Yeah, we'd like to release the new game, the one we've spent millions on developing, for a nominal fee because we think it needs more proofreading. Don't worry, I'm sure no one will post it on the internet or anything."

 

[Blackeagle]

Try selling this to management of a large corporation: "Yeah, we'd like to release the new game, the one we've spent millions on developing, for a nominal fee because we think it needs more proofreading. Don't worry, I'm sure no one will post it on the internet or anything."

Gee, not doing that sure did a good job of keeping 4e off the internet.

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

I have a problem with damage from lack of food/air

it calls for 1hp of damage for each character levels

while I understand the reasoning of this

maybe the damage should be hp damage=hp from healing surge or half that, 1hp/level make for a longer death at 1st level than at 30th level

 

[Kraydak]

I have a problem with damage from lack of food/air

it calls for 1hp of damage for each character levels

while I understand the reasoning of this

maybe the damage should be hp damage=hp from healing surge or half that, 1hp/level make for a longer death at 1st level than at 30th level

Wow. Serious wierdness there. On the other hand, you do get a *massive* initial buffer. A first level wizard might be able to hold his breath for 5 1/2 minutes while a lvl 10 wizard might only get 4 minutes and change, but both are still doing pretty well. At least the DC20 endurance check for taking damage while holding your breath seems to not have a cumulative 5 point penalty, so high level characters do much better while actively fighting underwater.

 

[Vendark]

No you're not. Reach weapons only threaten adjacent squares.

The Polearm Gamble feat gives limited threatening reach.

And, to address a previous poster's concerns, the feat has Wis 15 as a requirement. Combine that with the Wis influence on Combat Superiority, and it starts to become clear why Wis matters to polearm users.

 

[furthestaway]

I'm not sure if this is an error or not, but I've noticed something odd with Healing Surges. Both Leaders get 7+con/day, and all the Strikers get 6+con/day; however, one Defender (the paladin) gets 10, while the other (the fighter) only gets 9.

Are Paladins actually meant to have more healing surges than Fighters, as I can't really think of a reason why (the Divine Leader doesn't get any more than the Martial Leader, so that can't be why)?

 

[malraux]

I'm not sure if this is an error or not, but I've noticed something odd with Healing Surges. Both Leaders get 7+con/day, and all the Strikers get 6+con/day; however, one Defender (the paladin) gets 10, while the other (the fighter) only gets 9.

Are Paladins actually meant to have more healing surges than Fighters, as I can't really think of a reason why (the Divine Leader doesn't get any more than the Martial Leader, so that can't be why)?

Paladins can give their HS to other characters. The fighter only has to heal himself, and the cleric's and warlord's powers trigger using the target's HS. That probably explains it.