Critical Role Critical Role removes hundreds of YouTube videos and podcast episodes.

[SkidAce]

Well okay then. I read in articles that he also played in episodes, so I figured those were pulled as well. If it's all just supporting stuff and the story is unbroken, then that's different.

I think the shows he might have been in were one shots and special events.

 

[Thomas Shey]

In a weird coincidence, Ashley’s missed the most episodes, so if something comes up on her end, it will be the least damaging to remove her episodes. Though it’s still a lot. Most of C1, about 1/3 of C2, and almost all of C3. Poof. Gone.

I’m honestly surprised it’s been this long and there’s only two problems. I keep expecting one of the on-air couples to break up and it to destroy the show. Matt and Marisha. Travis and Laura. Liam and Sam.

As a fan I hope it never happens. But money brings out the worst of most people.

Its possible for people to break up for reasons that don't show one of them to be bad actors. Its even possible for it to happen and have them not hold it against each other.

 

[overgeeked]

I think the shows he might have been in were one shots and special events.

He was host to the interview shows, a mini-series, a guest player on a one-shot, and the announcer on some in-venue live shows. The only ones that would be disruptive to remove are the in-venue live shows. I don’t know if those were removed.

 

[MGibster]

"It sucks for the fans" often comes up in such discussions. I find it to be a hefty failure of perspective.
Domestic abuse sucks way, way worse than fans not being able to go and watch back-catalog content.

It's a good thing nobody's arguing they're equivalent then.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I feel like how minorly inconvenienced we are by this situation is so minuscule in comparison to the actual issue being addressed as to not warrant -- to the point of being insensitive-- being in the same conversation.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Were I inclined to watch Critical Role, I would not watch any of the seasons with removed content. The gaps in the story would bug the crap out of me. Those stories would be ruined for me.

Mercer: (end of session) "As you make your way through the winding depths you come to the cavern lair of the Behemoth!"
Mercer: (next session available) "You sit at the tavern table sipping your ale. The bard at the next table over loudly says, "That was a sheep!""

I watched most of Season 1 with a "What to watch for the plot / best scenes" list. A lot of stuff is filler. Whole episodes in fact.

In fact, anything I was confused on I just looked up an episode synopsys.

 

[Clint_L]

It's a good thing nobody's arguing they're equivalent then.

I like you - you're a fellow miniatures enthusiast (and a damned sight more talented than me), and I generally enjoy your posts; although we might have a different perspective at times, you are well worth reading. On this particular issue, I think you are missing the big picture and why your posts do suggest a kind of equivalency.

When someone's house burns down, the first reply isn't, "What really sucks is that I just lent them my Wham! cd!" I mean, we get it, that too would be a small loss, but it's not really worth mentioning at this time, is it?

Less figuratively, when you learn that Tina Turner has finally escaped from Ike, the response shouldn't be, "but can't we all acknowledge what a bummer this is for fans of their amazing live shows?" Yes, it is a bummer...but massively outweighed by the bigger picture which made her leaving a necessity, so we don't need to mention it, do we? And if we choose to make that our focus...well, then it does suggest that we see a kind of equivalency, though probably not by intention.

On the level of what this guy did? I agree, I don't think most people do that kind of stuff. But on a level where people have lost their jobs, which includes a racist or sexist comment from the past resurfacing? I think it would affect a lot more people than you realize. Christ, if there were recording devices in the 80s that caught teenage me making jokes and comments about certain groups of people? Yikes. I was clearly in the wrong, and grew up in and around bigoted people, so I made racist and bigoted jokes and comments. It wasn't until my early-mid 20s when I got into the world where I started to question all of those horrible beliefs. I am definitely not proud of my behavior during my youth and early 20s.

And, again, not the same, and I hate that these kind of equivalency arguments keep being brought up, and getting "likes." I hope this isn't your intention, but there is not a slippery slope from an abuse survivor and their colleagues taking down her abuser's content from their platform, and someone being cancelled for an unfortunate remark back in the day. It's not remotely the same thing. I assume that you are aware of the extremely horrifying allegations that were revealed when the legal documents in this case were made public, and that Ashley Johnson appears to have suffered years of abuse and credibly been in fear for her life and those of her loved ones by the end (certainly a judge reviewed the evidence and took the allegations seriously). So why are we even talking about cancel culture? These are not the same things!

Context matters. Life is not black and white. Some jerks deserve to be de-platformed and de-monetized. That content was causing ongoing harm to Ashley Johnson and ongoing benefit to her abuser, and even though losing access to some content is unfortunate, it is necessary and I applaud Critical Role for putting Johnson's well-being first.

 

[FrogReaver]

I like you - you're a fellow miniatures enthusiast (and a damned sight more talented than me), and I generally enjoy your posts; although we might have a different perspective at times, you are well worth reading. On this particular issue, I think you are missing the big picture and why your posts do suggest a kind of equivalency.

When someone's house burns down, the first reply isn't, "What really sucks is that I just lent them my Wham! cd!" I mean, we get it, that too would be a small loss, but it's not really worth mentioning at this time, is it?

Less figuratively, when you learn that Tina Turner has finally escaped from Ike, the response shouldn't be, "but can't we all acknowledge what a bummer this is for fans of their amazing live shows?" Yes, it is a bummer...but massively outweighed by the bigger picture which made her leaving a necessity, so we don't need to mention it, do we? And if we choose to make that our focus...well, then it does suggest that we see a kind of equivalency, though probably not by intention.



And, again, not the same, and I hate that these kind of equivalency arguments keep being brought up, and getting "likes." I hope this isn't your intention, but there is not a slippery slope from an abuse survivor and their colleagues taking down her abuser's content from their platform, and someone being cancelled for an unfortunate remark back in the day. It's not remotely the same thing. I assume that you are aware of the extremely horrifying allegations that were revealed when the legal documents in this case were made public, and that Ashley Johnson appears to have suffered years of abuse and credibly been in fear for her life and those of her loved ones by the end (certainly a judge reviewed the evidence and took the allegations seriously). So why are we even talking about cancel culture? These are not the same things!

Context matters. Life is not black and white. Some jerks deserve to be de-platformed and de-monetized. That content was causing ongoing harm to Ashley Johnson and ongoing benefit to her abuser, and even though losing access to some content is unfortunate, it is necessary and I applaud Critical Role for putting Johnson's well-being first.

I don’t find any of those analogies particularly compelling.

Dude did bad. Really bad! Kick him off the show. Keep him away from Johnson. We all agree with those decisions.

Can you articulate the harm that comes to Johnson from leaving previously recorded content with bad dude in it available to fans of the show?

I can articulate other reasons the show may wish to remove that content and as someone said it’s their ‘right’ as they ‘own’ it. But harm to Johnson doesn’t seem compelling for a reason for it.

That said, just because they have the right to remove the content, doesn’t mean they should. For example, I could be an absolute butthole to everyone, that’s my ‘right’ but it doesn’t make doing so right. It doesn’t mean I should.

 

[Sacrosanct]

And, again, not the same, and I hate that these kind of equivalency arguments keep being brought up, and getting "likes." I hope this isn't your intention, but there is not a slippery slope from an abuse survivor and their colleagues taking down her abuser's content from their platform, and someone being cancelled for an unfortunate remark back in the day. It's not remotely the same thing. I assume that you are aware of the extremely horrifying allegations that were revealed when the legal documents in this case were made public, and that Ashley Johnson appears to have suffered years of abuse and credibly been in fear for her life and those of her loved ones by the end (certainly a judge reviewed the evidence and took the allegations seriously). So why are we even talking about cancel culture? These are not the same things!

Context matters. Life is not black and white. Some jerks deserve to be de-platformed and de-monetized. That content was causing ongoing harm to Ashley Johnson and ongoing benefit to her abuser, and even though losing access to some content is unfortunate, it is necessary and I applaud Critical Role for putting Johnson's well-being first.

I only brought that up in a general response to the statement that most people don't do things that cause them to lose their jobs. I.e., outside of this particular context, it would probably affect more people than we think. I certainly didn't do it for likes (I never post anything to get a like).

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Were I inclined to watch Critical Role, I would not watch any of the seasons with removed content. The gaps in the story would bug the crap out of me. Those stories would be ruined for me.

Mercer: (end of session) "As you make your way through the winding depths you come to the cavern lair of the Behemoth!"
Mercer: (next session available) "You sit at the tavern table sipping your ale. The bard at the next table over loudly says, "That was a sheep!""

Given that they will spend up to four hours shopping, the odds that the missing content would contain crucial information you could gain no other way is fairly low.

They have highly decompressed storytelling. Even Brian Michael Bendis would be telling them to pick up the pace.