D&D and the rising pandemic

[Snarf Zagyg]

From Pfizer:
"Wednesday, December 08, 2021 - 06:54am

That was linked-to in the article. Part of the "Two doses plus infection or three doses get people to a higher baseline of neutralizing antibodies, which can better withstand the erosion from Omicron."

As always- get vaccinated. Get your booster. Follow public health announcements. But given the stalling in both vaccination rate and in people getting boosters, this is not a welcome development.

 

[J.Quondam]

I got mine here at the hospital a bit after that. Mixed it up; Pfizer to go with my Moderna series. Sorely tempted to go hunting a J&J to add to my set.

It's like Pokemon: Gotta catch 'em all!

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

BBC Today-

Omicron: Three vaccine doses key for protection against variant

UK scientists say two doses of a Covid vaccine are not enough to stop you catching the Omicron variant.

www.bbc.com

Conforming what people have been seeing, dramatic drop off from two doses*, some drop off with the booster.

GET YOUR BOOSTER.


*Still no data on severity. Hoping it's milder!

 

[Zardnaar]

3 shots ha. Newbs. Real men get 10!!

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

Breed em tough down here. By tough I mean stupid.

 

[Eltab]

3 shots ha. Newbs. Real men get 10!!

Breed 'em tough down here. By tough I mean stupid.

That is either crazy, or crazy like a fox.

 

[Mirtek]

From Pfizer:
"Wednesday, December 08, 2021 - 06:54am

• Preliminary laboratory studies demonstrate that three doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine neutralize the Omicron variant (B.1.1.529 lineage) while two doses show significantly reduced neutralization titers
• Data indicate that a third dose of BNT162b2 increases the neutralizing antibody titers by 25-fold compared to two doses against the Omicron variant; titers after the booster dose are comparable to titers observed after two doses against the wild-type virus which are associated with high levels of protection
• As 80% of epitopes in the spike protein recognized by CD8+ T cells are not affected by the mutations in the Omicron variant, two doses may still induce protection against severe disease
• The companies continue to advance the development of a variant-specific vaccine for Omicron and expect to have it available by March in the event that an adaption is needed to further increase the level and duration of protection – with no change expected to the companies’ four billion dose capacity for 2022"

Pfizer and BioNTech Provide Update on Omicron Variant | Pfizer

Preliminary laboratory studies demonstrate that three doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine neutralize the Omicron variant (B.1.1.529 lineage) while two doses show significantly reduced neutralization titers Data indicate that a third dose of BNT162b2 increases the neutralizing antibody...

www.pfizer.com

On the other hand: Sieben junge Deutsche infizieren sich in Südafrika trotz Dritt-Impfung

Short english summary: 7 germans on a trip through South Africa all catched Omikron. All 7 of them were fully vaccinated and boostered:

1-5: 2xPfizer + Pfizer Booster
6: 2x Pfizer + Moderna Booster
7: 1x Astra / 1x Pfizer + Pfizer Booster

They got their booster between 5-10 month after their second initial shot and all of them were boostered between 1-2 month ago as of the the time they catched their breakthrough infections (among the earliest people in Germany to receive boosters)

Wolfgang Preiser from Stellenbosch University near Kapstadt, member of the team that identified Ominkron told the Tagesspiegel: "We're currently seeing a lot of breakthrough infections. What we did not know is that even a booster mit Pfizer does not prevent it"

Original: „Durchbruchsinfektionen sehen wir gerade sehr viele. Was wir nicht wussten ist, dass auch eine Booster-Impfung mit Biontech/Pfizer das nicht verhindert“, erklärte Preiser gegenüber dem Tagesspiegel.

 

[Zardnaar]

On the other hand: Sieben junge Deutsche infizieren sich in Südafrika trotz Dritt-Impfung

Short english summary: 7 germans on a trip through South Africa all catched Omikron. All 7 of them were fully vaccinated and boostered:

1-5: 2xPfizer + Pfizer Booster
6: 2x Pfizer + Moderna Booster
7: 1x Astra / 1x Pfizer + Pfizer Booster

They got their booster between 5-10 month after their second initial shot and all of them were boostered between 1-2 month ago as of the the time they catched their breakthrough infections (among the earliest people in Germany to receive boosters)

Wolfgang Preiser from Stellenbosch University near Kapstadt, member of the team that identified Ominkron told the Tagesspiegel: "We're currently seeing a lot of breakthrough infections. What we did not know is that even a booster mit Pfizer does not prevent it"

Original: „Durchbruchsinfektionen sehen wir gerade sehr viele. Was wir nicht wussten ist, dass auch eine Booster-Impfung mit Biontech/Pfizer das nicht verhindert“, erklärte Preiser gegenüber dem Tagesspiegel.

More concerned about death and severity.

 

[Mirtek]

More concerned about death and severity.

Of those 7 there are 6 under 30 and the 7th is 39.

Judging purely on their age, without any knowledge of other specific conditions, a non-severe course of a disease would be the expectation even if they had catched the original or delta strain while being fully unvaccinated.

I fear we have to wait until older people catch Omikron to see whether it's more severe than Delta

 

[GreyLord]

I think there is a VAST difference of climates in the world and even the United States. In Florida and the South east US, you don't have to water anything. Your grass just grows on it's own (or at least that was my experience). It just grows without anything else. You have to mow it at least once a week during the spring, summer, and early fall just to keep pace with how quickly it grows!

Not everyplace uses extra water to water lawns (except for those people who I think must be transplants from the west because you see them watering their lawn with sprinklers and wonder...WHY!?

Now, in the Western US it's a lot drier and people waste a TON of water on their lawns, but it's not like that everyplace.

I was under the impression that Umbran was in the Northeastern US and that the Northeastern US was a lot like the Southeast regarding lawncare and such.

On the vaccine stuff, I had the Moderna vaccine. It showed a remarkably higher resistance to the virus than Pfizer at the 6 month mark, is it also recommended to be taken after 6 months absolutely, or is there a longer grace period?

 

[Umbran]

On the vaccine stuff, I had the Moderna vaccine. It showed a remarkably higher resistance to the virus than Pfizer at the 6 month mark, is it also recommended to be taken after 6 months absolutely, or is there a longer grace period?

The current recommendation is a booster after 6 months of either Pfizer or Moderna.