D&D and the rising pandemic

[Dannyalcatraz]

True, but there are times you need the idiots anyway.

You really don‘t need people who increase the probability of disease vectoring in a hospital overwhelmed with patients.

…or any other time, TBH.

 

[Mirtek]

You really don‘t need people who increase the probability of disease vectoring in a hospital overwhelmed with patients.

…or any other time, TBH.

This hospital seems to do, otherwise they would not have to just shut down certain areas.

In RL you very often do not have the staff you want and have to make do with the staff you have.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

This hospital seems to do, otherwise they would not have to just shut down certain areas.

In RL you very often do not have the staff you want and have to make do with the staff you have.

They’re a real liability to the hospital, both in the medical AND legal sense.

If unvaccinated personnel were ever connected to a patient’s, visitor’s, or co-worker’s serious illness or death, even a mediocre plaintiff’s attorney could win a big settlement. A good one could financially ruin them.

Think of it like this: imagine a short-staffed bank that hired someone with a record of arrests- or worse, convictions- for theft or larceny shortly before a bunch of stuff went missing from some safe deposit boxes.

Perhaps you’ve heard of Mary Mallon, a.k.a. Typhoid Mary? She worked as a live-in cook, spreading typhoid to thise she worked for. Despite being quarranti twice, she kept trying to work as a cook. Eventually, she was arrested and institutionalized for the last 20-30 years of her life. Now, imagine a modern version of her going through a temp agency to get similar work. If they knew she was a risk, they’d be exposed to liability.

 

[Zardnaar]

Think they could still pull a Typhoid Mary here. Read the Health act 1965 and they give the director general very broad powers.

And it supercedes the human right and bill of rights act.

Section 70 interesting read.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1956/0065/latest/whole.html

 

[Hussar]

Think they could still pull a Typhoid Mary here. Read the Health act 1965 and they give the director general very broad powers.

And it supercedes the human right and bill of rights act.

Section 70 interesting read.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1956/0065/latest/whole.html

What do you mean "pull a Typhoid Mary"? Who is "They?"

Mary Mallon was a horrible human being. She absolutely knew what she was doing and was deliberately doing it.

But, yeah, today if an employer knowingly employed someone like that, they're just opening themselves up to all sorts of litigation.

Will be an interesting fall out of the anti-vax crowd when they can actually pin someone for the source of an infection. Imagine a pre-school anti-vax teacher who has one of the students die. The parents are going to absolutely crucify everyone involved.

 

[Zardnaar]

What do you mean "pull a Typhoid Mary"? Who is "They?"

Mary Mallon was a horrible human being. She absolutely knew what she was doing and was deliberately doing it.

But, yeah, today if an employer knowingly employed someone like that, they're just opening themselves up to all sorts of litigation.

Will be an interesting fall out of the anti-vax crowd when they can actually pin someone for the source of an infection. Imagine a pre-school anti-vax teacher who has one of the students die. The parents are going to absolutely crucify everyone involved.

Here they could still theoretically lock some up and throw away the key going by what I posted above.
We don't have a constitution and a lot of the rights are more like guidelines with exceptions.

It's the first time they've actually used said powers since the law was written. In 1956.

 

[Hussar]

Well, no, you have a Westminister system. Which means you have all rights save the ones a Constitution would withhold from you. Under English common law practices, you don't actually need an American style constitution to have rights.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well, no, you have a Westminister system. Which means you have all rights save the ones a Constitution would withhold from you. Under English common law practices, you don't actually need an American style constitution to have rights.

I posted the link above what they can actually do once an emergency is decleared (they did March 2020).

There's a court case here coming up here about defence force personal protesting about mandatory vaccinations. Basically get vaccinated or lose job.

1. The relevant legislation just says they can't force you to get vaccinated. Doesn't say they have to employ you though.

2. There's an exception in the bill of rights clause.

3. They can rewrite the bill of rights anyway with a parliamentary majority (they won absolute majority last year in election with proportional system)

4. The health act supercedes the various rights acts.

So basically I don't see the court case winning.

Context Aucklands spent 4 weeks in level 4 lockdown rest of the country is level 2. There's complaints along the lines of "they can't take away our rights".

Well actually they can its right there in black and white. At least when it comes to Covid response. They can restrict travel, close down business and destroy buildings with no ifs or buts (they have to pay compensation though).

Hypothetically they can declear a business failing to comply with restrictions as unsanitary and close it down and/or destroy the building.

And there's all sorts of other things covered and alot of it is "as he sees fit".

It's funny when the local Covidiots are quoting American rights from the tv/internet.

 

[Umbran]

The media will report and in some cases condemn an incident, but never quite get round to the root causes of social and political media fuelling misinformation by presenting so-called 'debate' in the name of 'balance'.

So, the major media outlets I see haven't been supporting such faux-balance discussion of covid for a long time. The media is now rather polarized - either they are completely anti-vax and anti-mask, or they recognize the need and no longer give platform to those that don't, except to show where harm is done.

 

[Umbran]

Well, no, you have a Westminister system. Which means you have all rights save the ones a Constitution would withhold from you. Under English common law practices, you don't actually need an American style constitution to have rights.

Mod Note:
Folks, enough politics. This is not about gaming, or covid. Drop it, now.