D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

D&D historian Ben Riggs delved into the facts.

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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Chaosmancer

Legend
This absolutely has come up in this thread, but more than that, it is has been at the heart of the debates surrounding these issues on virtually every thread we have them on (and we have seen the results of this in the game itself)

I have not seen anyone bring it up. And other threads discussing Gary Gygax being sexist are not something I am aware of.

Instead, it seems like you are trying to drag OTHER issues into this thread, which are not the point of this thread.
 


Bedrockgames

I post in the voice of Christopher Walken
I have not seen anyone bring it up. And other threads discussing Gary Gygax being sexist are not something I am aware of.

Instead, it seems like you are trying to drag OTHER issues into this thread, which are not the point of this thread.

I am genuinely not. If people aren't saying such a thing they aren't saying such a thing. It was unclear to me from the Tiamat excursion whether that was being raised or not. This isn't some grand scheme of mine to confuse the thread. I have literally never been on a thread that stayed one hundred percent on point from the OP. Especially when you approach the 200 page mark. Other issue are going to be raised. Some will get traction and some won't. It doesn't have to emanate out of a desire to derail or confuse the original point
 
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Maxperson

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...to your satisfaction. Because, again, you aren't personally the arbiter of certainty for anyone but yourself.

If their goal was to persuade Maxperson, then your certainty is important. If not... then your certainty is not really relevant.
My satisfaction is not relevant. I'm talking about facts, not opinion. There has been no post showing a statement from Gygax stating that he created Tiamat and Bahamut with sexism in mind. Short of something proving 100% that he created those two with sexism in mind, there is the possibility that he did not create them with sexism in mind.

Yes I am not the final arbiter of what people feel is certain. People can feel certain that the next comet will be an alien ship come to visit us if they want to. Anyone who is certain that Gygax created the dragon rulers with sexism in mind, though, is assuming facts that have not been presented, though. I am assuming nothing. The facts as they have been presented in this thread do not show that he certainly(100%) had sexism in mind when he created the dragon rulers.

My claim of there being a lack of certainty is not an opinion. There are no facts that have been presented that show 100% that he created them with sexism in mind.
 

Chaosmancer

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Yes he does say he is sexist. My point is simply that this statement could be read by reasonable people a number of different ways (as humor, as a sincere stated expression of sexism, as a statement of frustration, etc).

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. He declared himself a sexist, said he didn't care about women getting equal treatment under the law, and that he was glad they would stay out of his games. If that was a joke? Then he was still a sexist because "it was just a joke bro" is essentially always a cover up. If it was a statement of frustration, then in his frustration of being called a sexist, he doubled down instead of trying to be better. And considering his later statements about biological determinism? The idea that he was just frustrated and not really a sexist don't hold much water.

On the brazen strumpet thing.I never said it was in good taste, but humor often is in poor taste. One of the things that makes the old DMG works is how bristly his voice is. I think it adds something interesting to the book. I just don't think we are going to agree on this one

Humor in "poor taste" is often not actually humorous.

The hardline stance I was talking about wasn't you saying you think he was sexist or you think teh strumpet entry was sexist. Lots of people feel that way and it is totally fine. The hardline stance is about people not allowing for different viewpoints around it (i.e. saying "you have to agree with me about this and if you don't you are just as sexist as I think Gary was")

The problem with those other viewpoints is that they often keep getting compared to Gygax's own words and behavior, over a very long public life, and being found lacking in supporting evidence.

For me this is relevant in terms of content warnings.

We put content warnings on material all the time. Essentially all video games and all movies have them. Many modern authors put them on their books. I don't see why holding older material that is being reprinted to a different standard is helpful.
 

Bedrockgames

I post in the voice of Christopher Walken
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. He declared himself a sexist, said he didn't care about women getting equal treatment under the law, and that he was glad they would stay out of his games. If that was a joke? Then he was still a sexist because "it was just a joke bro" is essentially always a cover up. If it was a statement of frustration, then in his frustration of being called a sexist, he doubled down instead of trying to be better. And considering his later statements about biological determinism? The idea that he was just frustrated and not really a sexist don't hold much water.
Again people are complicated, our reactions to people are complicated. I am just saying I can see people reading what he said in different ways and I think it is important for us to be able to let people have different reactions. And like I said before, I found a lot of what he said sexist.
 


Bedrockgames

I post in the voice of Christopher Walken
The problem with those other viewpoints is that they often keep getting compared to Gygax's own words and behavior, over a very long public life, and being found lacking in supporting evidence.
I am not saying you have to agree with these other interpretations. I am just saying people are going to disagree about this stuff. That is normal and expected. And we can't just insist others agree with us.
 

Bedrockgames

I post in the voice of Christopher Walken
We put content warnings on material all the time. Essentially all video games and all movies have them. Many modern authors put them on their books. I don't see why holding older material that is being reprinted to a different standard is helpful.

My opinion is content warnings are not particularly helpful. But when it comes to something like a book from the 70s, I have a baseline expectation I may encounter some outdated ideas. I just don't know that a content warning tells me anything I didn't already know
 

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