D&D Still Satanic? "So my mom threw away all my D&D books..."

[nedjer]

I know the drill. Once I have a dissenting opinion people have to be rude, crude, and do their utmost brow beat me into submission and then when I protest I'm doing something wrong and I'll get removed from the discussion because I'm the one using inflammatory statements, being snively, or whatever, etc etc etc...

I'm not browbeating you. I, virtually, like you. Your posts are often well amusing

It is a bit 'up in lights' that you're not replying in support of your view. You clearly have strongly held opinions, cool, but what are they based on?

 

[Diamond Cross]

Why does the basis for having made up one's mind not matter? If I made up my mind based on an examination of evidence, why would new evidence not have any effect on me?


That's because the evidence you would need to provide in this case is impossible to provide now. You're claiming something never happens, so as long as I've seen it happen a few times myself, which I have, I know that you're incorrect.

But there's any number of things you might be able to change my mind about. It depends on the thing.


You are talking about decision-making processes, though. If someone, let's call him Mr. Scientist, makes a decision about something based on evidence available at the time, and then later new evidence arises that would cause Mr. Scientist to have reached a different decision if he had it before. You're apparently saying he will not change his mind after examining this new evidence, since he's already made up his mind once and will therefore not change it. But this changing happens all the time.

The evidence is you're doing it right now. You're behaving in the exact manner I have described.

You can not agree with me and you will not change your mind and you will use any means at your disposal to justify how you're right and I'm not.

You will not change your mind because you have not seen it. And no matter what evidence I show you will not see it under any circumstances.

And no, I am not talking about the process to how people come to their decisions. That is a strawman.

That is what people do. Once they have made up their minds it's impossible to change it under any circumstances.

And you're providing the evidence because this is what you're doing right now. All you're doing is dismissing everything I say and describe because it doesn't fit your worldview.

No amount of "evidence" I bring to this discussion will ever convince you see how truthful I am in my statement. That's the great irony.

It is not what you're saying, it is how you're behaving. Anybody can say anything, but it's the actions that are important.

And right now you can not and will not change your mind because you have already made it up.

There is only so many times I can repeat myself.

There is only so many times you can make your demands.

In the meantime....

STARSHIP PRON!

 

[Diamond Cross]

I'm not browbeating you. I, virtually, like you. Your posts are often well amusing

It is a bit 'up in lights' that you're not replying in support of your view. You clearly have strongly held opinions, cool, but what are they based on?

They are based on the behavior I've seen and experienced from people.

And I do do my utmost ability to support my posts. The thing is, I don't care for logic, because it really does make people arrogant and turns people into jerks. I also don't care for religion because it does the same thing.

Truth doesn't need logic or religion to support it. Truth is just there.

And the truth is you cannot change a person's mind when it is made up, and it doesn't matter who it is, all people behave this way.

Some people rely on logic to do so, some people rely on their emotions to do so. But it doesn't really matter, it is the same behavior.

 

[Fifth Element]

No amount of "evidence" I bring to this discussion will ever convince you see how truthful I am in my statement.

Even if this is true, this doesn't mean you can generalize from this discussion to all discussions.

And right now you can not and will not change your mind because you have already made it up.

No, it's because you haven't given me any reason to change it. But we're obviously not getting anywhere here.

 

[Raven Crowking]

May I interject to say that I want a new Order of the Stick episode?

That is all.


RC

 

[Diamond Cross]

Even if this is true, this doesn't mean you can generalize from this discussion to all discussions.


No, it's because you haven't given me any reason to change it. But we're obviously not getting anywhere here.

Yes it does. This is something that most elitist intellectuals who value logic above else forget. Most people don't use logic.

And yes I have given you plenty of reasons. You will just dismiss them out of hand because you don't want to see it. Just as I've been saying.

People will use any means at their disposal to not change their minds. It doesn't matter what the words they use or how verbose they get, it's still a dismissal of something they don't want to believe or see.

But we are getting way off topic here and we should return to the original topic.

 

[Fifth Element]

Most people don't use logic.

I fully agree with this. But new emotional appeals can work just as well as logic to change someone's mind, depending on the person and the topic.

And yes I have given you plenty of reasons.

"It just is" is not a reason.

 

[Diamond Cross]

I fully agree with this. But new emotional appeals can work just as well as logic to change someone's mind, depending on the person and the topic.


"It just is" is not a reason.

Yes it is, you just can't accept it.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

And the truth is you cannot change a person's mind when it is made up, and it doesn't matter who it is, all people behave this way.

That is NOT a true statement. While it may be true of some people, it is far from a universal truth.

That Neo-Nazi convert I posted about earlier wasn't the one I went looking for as an exemplar, just the first one I found. The one I went looking for was a man who had repeatedly victimized a particular Rabbi and his family. That man died a few years ago...married to a hispanic woman and as a good friend of the Rabbi he had tormented for years.

I could recount other examples of people changing their minds- actually, i did, in the form of those who thought I was hellbound due to metal and gaming until I convinced them otherwise- but but apparently, your mind is made up. And I've spent enough energy on this tangent.

 

[Raven Crowking]

A suppose a compiled Wormy collection would be good, too.