d20 Hatred near you?
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Calico_Jack73
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To me, d20 is just a system. I can tell the same stories with Palladium, GURPS, Rolemaster, Warhammer, or any of the earlier editions of D&D. D20 is just more supported than any of the other systems and so offers more options to me and my players. In the cases of systems that have been converted over I have my own opinions. I prefer the Chaosim Call of Cthulhu to the d20 version and (prepares to be pelted with tomatoes) I prefer GURPS Traveller to Traveller T20 or even the original Traveller. D20 gives flexibility almost as great as GURPS and almost everyone knows the basic rules from D&D whereas I've met plenty of people who have never picked up a GURPS book. They all have their good points and bad points and obviously you can't please everyone. No system is perfect yet, otherwise everybody would be playing it. 
The Mirrorball Man
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Well TSR Hobbies is no more, so there is no one around to support their systems.diaglo said:
BiggusGeekus
That's Latin for "cool"
This is the internet. I'm sure there are message boards where you can find hateful posts about iced tea. Don't worry about it.
The Mirrorball Man
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Sure. And Hewlett Packard bought Compaq, but you don't see HP making old Compaq Deskpro computers any longer. I've bought a bookshelf in an antique shop, but I use it for my CDs. Should I buy old books and put them on display as a special tribute to the glorious past of that particular piece of furniture? What about NASA? Why don't they make those old great Mercury spacecrafts?diaglo said:they were purchased by WHizzers of the Cost, now a Hasbeen subsidiary.
Trickstergod
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Well, these days most of the messageboards I frequent are d20 related, and my friends play D&D, soo...no, I don't see much of the d20 hate.
However, I can see where some people are coming from, from time to time - Call of Cthulhu being one of them, where I don't really think that the d20 system necessarily works so well for it.
Then again, I'm not so keen on Chaosium's system, either.
For my part, I believe a White Wolf Storyteller treatment for it would work best. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose.
But those who make it a point of, for example, saying something has been "reduced to d20," well, that I disagree with. I rather like the system, at least in the appropriate context. Some systems are appropriate for certain things, some aren't. If someone wants to make an argument based on that, or possibly even a few grumpy comments here and there, well, that's fine by me.
I also don't have a problem with those who can explain their disdain for something.
Anyway, someone needs to counter the fanboys. Heh.
But, no, don't see much of the d20 hate myself. Being that I frequent D&D messageboards and play D&D for the most part these days, mostly I hear White Wolf hate - though that's mainly in regards to some of the people who play their games, as opposed to gripes about the games themselves.
And man do I hate iced tea! Tea in general, but especially iced! At least I can enjoy the scent and steam of hot tea! Urgh! I hate iced tea! I need to find those messageboards. If not, I'll be forced to post my rant against the foul drink on Enworld.
Heh.
However, I can see where some people are coming from, from time to time - Call of Cthulhu being one of them, where I don't really think that the d20 system necessarily works so well for it.
Then again, I'm not so keen on Chaosium's system, either.
For my part, I believe a White Wolf Storyteller treatment for it would work best. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose.
But those who make it a point of, for example, saying something has been "reduced to d20," well, that I disagree with. I rather like the system, at least in the appropriate context. Some systems are appropriate for certain things, some aren't. If someone wants to make an argument based on that, or possibly even a few grumpy comments here and there, well, that's fine by me.
I also don't have a problem with those who can explain their disdain for something.
Anyway, someone needs to counter the fanboys. Heh.
But, no, don't see much of the d20 hate myself. Being that I frequent D&D messageboards and play D&D for the most part these days, mostly I hear White Wolf hate - though that's mainly in regards to some of the people who play their games, as opposed to gripes about the games themselves.
And man do I hate iced tea! Tea in general, but especially iced! At least I can enjoy the scent and steam of hot tea! Urgh! I hate iced tea! I need to find those messageboards. If not, I'll be forced to post my rant against the foul drink on Enworld.
Heh.
Nightchilde-2
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Here's my 2 silver. 
I'll start off by saying that I like the d20 system. I've run it, more or less, since 3e came out. I am not a d02 hatter by any stretch (though I used to be before 3e).
That being said, I absolutely hate conversions of other games to the d20 system. This kills the uniqueness, IMHO, of the game. And, yes, the system is an intregal part of what makes a game unique.
Let's take the worst offender I can think of...Deadlands d20. Classic Deadlands was a brilliant piece of work. The mechanics, which included poker cards, poker hands and poker chips in addition to dice, made it have a sort of "Old West" feel. It made the game *different.* (For the record, yes, I have the same complaint against them turning Deadlands in to a Savage Worlds game)
Level systems are great for some games (like D&D or d20 Modern, or even Palladium), but for some games they'd just feel goofy, especially after playing the "pure" version of the game. Again, I point to Deadlands. And could you imagine trying to play the World of Darkness with levels? Or, gods forbid, Exalted? Part of the fun of a level-less system is that you really don't have a measuring stick for a creature or NPC's power level, or at least not a nice, neat one like a level system. The Players have more freedom because they are able to improved in the areas *they* want to improve in more readily. Rather than being limited by "level + 3" in a "class skill," they are limited by how much of their Bounty/XP/whatever they can pump into a skill.
So, for me, if it was a d20 game to start with (D&D, D20 Modern, Mutants & Masterminds, etc) great. No problems. If it wasn't a d20 game to start with, I vastly prefer the original system in every case that comes to mind, and I've played a LOT of different systems.
I'll start off by saying that I like the d20 system. I've run it, more or less, since 3e came out. I am not a d02 hatter by any stretch (though I used to be before 3e).
That being said, I absolutely hate conversions of other games to the d20 system. This kills the uniqueness, IMHO, of the game. And, yes, the system is an intregal part of what makes a game unique.
Let's take the worst offender I can think of...Deadlands d20. Classic Deadlands was a brilliant piece of work. The mechanics, which included poker cards, poker hands and poker chips in addition to dice, made it have a sort of "Old West" feel. It made the game *different.* (For the record, yes, I have the same complaint against them turning Deadlands in to a Savage Worlds game)
Level systems are great for some games (like D&D or d20 Modern, or even Palladium), but for some games they'd just feel goofy, especially after playing the "pure" version of the game. Again, I point to Deadlands. And could you imagine trying to play the World of Darkness with levels? Or, gods forbid, Exalted? Part of the fun of a level-less system is that you really don't have a measuring stick for a creature or NPC's power level, or at least not a nice, neat one like a level system. The Players have more freedom because they are able to improved in the areas *they* want to improve in more readily. Rather than being limited by "level + 3" in a "class skill," they are limited by how much of their Bounty/XP/whatever they can pump into a skill.
So, for me, if it was a d20 game to start with (D&D, D20 Modern, Mutants & Masterminds, etc) great. No problems. If it wasn't a d20 game to start with, I vastly prefer the original system in every case that comes to mind, and I've played a LOT of different systems.
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