D20 Modern fans might want to see this...

[Cergorach]

It's an advertisement. TV commercials do this sort of thing all the time...

Edit: in the United States at least.

So i can say that my RPG is the big brother of Dungeons and Dragons?

Or taht my product is compatible with Dungeons & Dragons?

Sweet!

 

[jaerdaph]

So i can say that my RPG is the big brother of Dungeons and Dragons?

Or taht my product is compatible with Dungeons & Dragons?

Sweet!

No, but you can compare Coke to Pepsi. Or Tide Detergent to Oxyclean Detergent. Or Toyota to Ford. Or Your modern roleplaying game called Haven: City of Violence to d20 Modern, which is what this particular ad does.

But I wouldn't want something as trivial as READING COMPREHENSION to get in the way of this fun little thread. It's what's made it so much fun from the start.

 

[Caldavien]

Well I dont know anything about the guys product, but I clicked on the add when I first opened this thread, I have now read the entire contents of this thread up to this point AND gone to the bathroom. The ad still hasnt loaded. Im at work on a T1 almost all to myself.

 

[dpmcalister]

Not wanting to start another argument but I was surprised that this thread wasn't just deleted or, at least, locked. After all, it's advertising a non-d20 product }

 

[JPL]

They say "Be warned, this is not the pseudo-realistic world of D20 MODERN or the heroic adventures of James Bond, this is the gritty, violent world of Marvel Comics’ The Punisher or the motion picture Fight Club."

Are they kidding? Punisher comic, not pseudo-realistic? Fight club, not pseudo-realistic? They call THOSE their examples of "gritty"?

Well, it's what passes for gritty, I guess.

The guys in "Fight Club" lost teeth and got bruised up real good, while the guys in "Enter the Dragon" seemed to bounce right back after every fight. So that's gritty to some. My wife is a hand-to-hand instructor for the state police --- she'd tell you that a real fistfight is a different beast altogether.

The Punisher is a much worse example. He's a fifty-something serial killer who has walked away from a thousand firefights with no physical impairments. He never kills the wrong guy, he never does any detective work, and he has a magical unlimited supply of safehouses and firearms. He's a power fantasy, that's all.

d20 Modern can easily be tweaked to be more lethal [just dial down the MDT and/or switch the check from a Fort save to a Con check and/or throw in some specific injuries], and more detailed descriptions of violence and consequences can change the feel of the game, if that's what the setting requires.

Haven probably boils down to a power fantasy about being a lethal urban tough guy. Nothing wrong with the fantasy, but it should not be mistaken for reality. In reality, violence carries physical, psychological, and legal consequences that RPGs gloss over because they are ugly and boring and depressing. These consequences are realities even for professional tough guys like cops, Special Forces, and professional criminals.

 

[Cergorach]

No, but you can compare Coke to Pepsi. Or Tide Detergent to Oxyclean Detergent. Or Toyota to Ford. Or Your modern roleplaying game called Haven: City of Violence to d20 Modern, which is what this particular ad does.

But I wouldn't want something as trivial as READING COMPREHENSION to get in the way of this fun little thread. It's what's made it so much fun from the start.

Ohh!!!

I know:

Let's compare my rpg product with dungeons and dragons. *after x tests*
Oh my goosh, what a suprise, neither seems better than the other, they actually seem to be, what's the word... COMPATIBLE! Each enriching the other, what a product...

;-)

 

[jaerdaph]

Let's compare my rpg product with dungeons and dragons. *after x tests*
Oh my goosh, what a suprise, neither seems better than the other, they actually seem to be, what's the word... COMPATIBLE! Each enriching the other, what a product...

;-)

Seriously though, you do know that the ad DOES NOT say that Haven is compatible with d20 Modern, don't you? The guy's only trying to sell his modern RPG by going after the competition in his ad. Typical "my product is better than theirs" advertising.

Unless of course it was too big for you to download and so in fact you never did get to see it, which brings us back to the top of this thread.

And if that's the case, I wouldn't want to stop anyone for talking about and expressing their opinion on an ad they never saw! Informed opinion, especially on the Internet, is even less important to me than reading comprehension.

For the record, the file takes 3 seconds to download over cable broadband.

And one more thing: While Haven was good on getting out iodine and mud stains, d20 Modern With Bleach not only got those out but ink, red wine and grass stains as well!

 

[Mistwell]

For the record, the file takes 3 seconds to download over cable broadband.

Well you got lucky, or have a magic cable modem. I tried it on *T3* that was UNUSED and it took several minutes to come through. However, clicking save target only took a few seconds to do, though adobe reader gives the "cannot decrypt this file" error when trying to open it. So, there is something is funky with that particular file.

 

[dpmcalister]

The problem might be caused if you've got Acrobat v4. If the PDF was created using Acrobat 5 there are sometimes compatibility problems.

 

[jaerdaph]

Well you got lucky, or have a magic cable modem.

Now that's an FX item for d20 Modern somebody should write up...

Just now - 2 seconds. Try Right click and Save As in Windows rather than directly opening it.