D20 Sourcecode

[smetzger]

Anyone thought of releaseing source code under the d20 license?

Because of its restrictions you couldn't use it in conjunction of the GNU, but I was wondering if anyone was interested in creating a d20 source code library.

*:> Scott

edit changed OGL to GNU

 

[CRGreathouse]

Never the d20 STL, but I've considered opening my generators under the OGL.

 

[Twin Rose]

Never the d20 STL, but I've considered opening my generators under the OGL.

Are you currently using Open Content within the source code? This is a big no-no and WOTC has been looking very closely at software AND websites lately.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Are you currently using Open Content within the source code? This is a big no-no and WOTC has been looking very closely at software AND websites lately.

Yes, I'm using OGC in my source code. This is OK for many reasons:

* The source code is open - since it's not compiled, the source can be viewed. Even if it did compile, providing source code is sufficient.
* The d20 STL does not forbid using OGC in source code - the FAQ doesn't like it, but it's non-normative.
* I'm not using the d20 STL. The OGL has no such restrictions.

Edit: Here's a list of pages relevant to this post:

http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417d
http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20guide.rtf
http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20stlv3.rtf
http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/OGLv1.0a.rtf
http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417g

 

[Twin Rose]

Yes, I'm using OGC in my source code. This is OK for many reasons:

* The source code is open - since it's not compiled, the source can be viewed. Even if it did compile, providing source code is sufficient.
* The d20 STL does not forbid using OGC in source code - the FAQ doesn't like it, but it's non-normative.
* I'm not using the d20 STL. The OGL has no such restrictions.

Edit: Here's a list of pages relevant to this post:

http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417d
http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20guide.rtf
http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20stlv3.rtf
http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/OGLv1.0a.rtf
http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417g

Oh I'm intimately familiar with the faqs on d20 source code. I write an RPG engine professionally, with a d20 data file. The OGL does stipulate clear indication of what is Open Content and what is not is required - commenting the source, for example, goes a long way towards this.

Is this some sort of a script you are running in?

 

[CRGreathouse]

Are you currently using Open Content within the source code? This is a big no-no and WOTC has been looking very closely at software AND websites lately.

Oh I'm intimately familiar with the faqs on d20 source code.

(Honest question) If you're intimately familiar with the FAQs and the licenses (as I would have originally assumed you were), why did you claim OGC in source code is a "no-no"?

The OGL does stipulate clear indication of what is Open Content and what is not is required - commenting the source, for example, goes a long way towards this.

Yes, the content is clearly indicated. It's actually not hard at all.

I'm not suggesting tha you should do the same - ther are obvious benefits in commercial programming to keeping the source private. Since I'm noncommercial, I don't have that concern - all I need to follow is the OGL.

Is this some sort of a script you are running in?

Yes, JavaScript. It runs on web pages, cross-platform compatible, lightweight, and fast enough for my needs. What more could I ask for?

(Yes, actually, the speed is something of a drag - but what could I *realistically* ask for? )

 

[Twin Rose]

(Honest question) If you're intimately familiar with the FAQs and the licenses (as I would have originally assumed you were), why did you claim OGC in source code is a "no-no"?



Yes, the content is clearly indicated. It's actually not hard at all.

I'm not suggesting tha you should do the same - ther are obvious benefits in commercial programming to keeping the source private. Since I'm noncommercial, I don't have that concern - all I need to follow is the OGL.



Yes, JavaScript. It runs on web pages, cross-platform compatible, lightweight, and fast enough for my needs. What more could I ask for?

(Yes, actually, the speed is something of a drag - but what could I *realistically* ask for? )

Well, if Java becomes compiled, then the 'clear indication' is not really there anymore. It's one of the thigns that they have defined over there - of course, you can simply distribute ONLY the uncompiled version. You'd have to ask them - they've been really serious about coming down.

The OGC issue in code is a no-no in closed sourc,e I just load it at run time.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Well, if Java becomes compiled, then the 'clear indication' is not really there anymore.

It's not Java, it's JavaScript. JavaScript never compiles.

The OGC issue in code is a no-no in closed sourc,e I just load it at run time.

False. As long as the open portions are identified (for example, by distributing the souce along with the compiled file), the software is OGL-compliant.

 

[Twin Rose]

False. As long as the open portions are identified (for example, by distributing the souce along with the compiled file), the software is OGL-compliant.

I was at a meeting at WOTC, and have discussed this issue with Anthony Valterra on a couple of occasions. The impression that I'm under is that if it's compiled, it's not really 'clearly marked'.

 

[smetzger]

I was at a meeting at WOTC, and have discussed this issue with Anthony Valterra on a couple of occasions. The impression that I'm under is that if it's compiled, it's not really 'clearly marked'.

I am going to have to go with CRGreathouse on this one. As long as the OGC is somehow clearly identified then it should be legal. And I would say marking in the source code and then distributing both the source code and the compiled code would count. I think if you commented the code heavily and maybe included a design document so that it would be easy for a programmer to figure out were the OGC sections fit in with the program. Some compilers would probably even let you distribute a break point file, in which you could have break points pre-set for all the OGC sections. Clark would probably be the best to ask about this one.