Daggerheart General Thread [+]

[zakael19]

Regardless, I wish they'd done an alternate "GM doesnt roll" setup in the book to carve out that more narrative space instead of making all the optional rules one for "this game isn't conventional enough for us!"

But yeah shouldn't be hard to implement, and probably smoother at the table since the players know their evasion (and it can swing around depending on abilities and such).

 

[zakael19]

I don't understand your disconnect here. The PCs (and their villains) aren't the world. The world is the normal people doing normal people things, while demigods run around doing demigod things. PC options do not need to be available to anyone besides the PCs.

I mean, you tossed out a strange statement without any context so of course we're going to read things into it? "Grounded" is such a vague term to drop into the conversation for a very-much heroic fantasy/larger then life game as presented.

 

[Reynard]

I understand people have idiomatic preferences, but whether or not the GM rolls is, IMHO, a strange place to draw your line in the sand about TTRPGs.

When I GM, I am a player too, and I want to play. Why is that so strange?

 

[Reynard]

I mean, you tossed out a strange statement without any context so of course we're going to read things into it? "Grounded" is such a vague term to drop into the conversation for a very-much heroic fantasy/larger then life game as presented.

Only if you did not read the entire sentence I wrote. Grounded world. Demigod PCs. It's like no one has ever read Gilgamesh or Beowulf or the Iliad before. MOST myths are a grounded world with demigod protagonists and antagonists, because they are about the intersection of the legendary/divine and the human world. Worlds in which EVERYTHING is supernatural are much weirder and harder to pull off.

 

[zakael19]

Only if you did not read the entire sentence I wrote. Grounded world. Demigod PCs. It's like no one has ever read Gilgamesh or Beowulf or the Iliad before. MOST myths are a grounded world with demigod protagonists and antagonists, because they are about the intersection of the legendary/divine and the human world. Worlds in which EVERYTHING is supernatural are much weirder and harder to pull off.

We were wondering what it meant to him in this context. You provided none, so it was kinda confusing. If you’d said “he wanted a world in which the PC’s powers are unique and set aside for epic beings like demigods but most of the populace is standard mortals” that would make sense; but then again I’d never look at myths and legends as “grounded” since their thing is that they kinda aren’t.

 

[Aldarc]

When I GM, I am a player too, and I want to play. Why is that so strange?

So am I not "playing" too when I run games where I don't roll as a GM?

 

[Reynard]

We were wondering what it meant to him in this context. You provided none, so it was kinda confusing. If you’d said “he wanted a world in which the PC’s powers are unique and set aside for epic beings like demigods but most of the populace is standard mortals” that would make sense; but then again I’d never look at myths and legends as “grounded” since their thing is that they kinda aren’t.

The world most of them take place in, outside of the heroes and monsters themselves, is grounded by necessity: it is our world and the world in which the original audeinces lived. Gilgamesh wrestled the Bull of Heaven -- in a real city where he was king and had to do day to day king stuff.

Anyway, that is what he meant. We are all getting together for our annual christmas lunch so we will talk about it with everyone else and see how they feel about it.

 

[Reynard]

So am I not "playing" too when I run games where I don't roll as a GM?

What made you think that my expressed preferences were intended as some sort of straightjacket for you?

 

[Aldarc]

What made you think that my expressed preferences were intended as some sort of straightjacket for you?

Because of how you framed your preference which equates "playing" as a GM with rolling a d20.

I wouldn't feel as if I was somehow playing the game "less" or not at all if I wasn't rolling as a GM in Daggerheart.