D&D 5E "Damage on a miss" poll.

[Iosue]

Imagine that. Someone found "hit on a miss" confusing.

Not exactly. Mearls said he personally finds it confusing when combined with effects that trigger on damage to a foe.

 

[Herschel]

Sometimes if you voice your opinion loud enough you can get things accomplished.

Only if those "listening" aren't very good at data analysis. What you don't realize is you're in what's called the margin. Your views aren't "mainstream" or moderate. Message boards are a bit larger group but still within the margin also, and the unscientific polls on them mean nothing. That's why Mearls specifically says they're going by the surveys and makes nod to message boards. You're in a subset of a subset and showing likely to be too fickle to consider. Eliminating the extreme outliers is how to get the best data.

The margins are very important in things like elections, especially primary (qualifying) elections where races are otherwise close because a small percentage can swing the results. In marketing a product, it's less important. Sure, you can still spam review sites and such, but companies are also combating that more and more now also.

 

[Halivar]

I predict they will likely modify it so it does not stack with other damage dealing effects or triggers, as I think that would be entirely appropriate.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Only if those "listening" aren't very bright. What you don't realize is you're in what's called the margin. Your views aren't "mainstream" or moderate. Message boards are a bit larger group but still within the margin also, and the unscientific polls on them mean nothing. That's why Mearls specifically says they're going by the surveys and makes nod to message boards. You're in a subset of a subset and showing likely to be too fickle to consider. Eliminating the extreme outliers is how to get the best data.

The margins are very important in things like elections, especially primary (qualifying) elections where races are otherwise close because a small percentage can swing the results. In marketing a product, it's less important. Sure, you can still spam review sites and such, but companies are also combating that more and more now also.

LOL!

This could actually show that the playtest wasn't as succeasful as claimed with regards to damage on a miss.

 

[herrozerro]

LOL!

This could actually show that the playtest wasn't as succeasful as claimed with regards to damage on a miss.

Or that it could be a very small vocal minority. I wonder which is more likely... large wide scale play testing surveys or the threadcrapping by the same 4 posters.

 

[Herschel]

LOL!

This could actually show that the playtest wasn't as succeasful as claimed with regards to damage on a miss.

So the much larger, better sample shows less than a biased, small-sample poll? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[Ahnehnois]

So the much larger, better sample shows less than a biased, small-sample poll? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

What exactly do we know about the (also biased) data that they're working with? Not much.

 

[Weather Report]

Or that it could be a very small vocal minority. I wonder which is more likely... large wide scale play testing surveys or the threadcrapping by the same 4 posters.

Yes, would you and those three others please stop.

 

[Herschel]

What exactly do we know about the (also biased) data that they're working with? Not much.

Mearls said it's testing well. He has the data.

 

[Ahnehnois]

Mearls said it's testing well. He has the data.

Okay. Well, no chance for spin, misinterpretation, or bias there. Especially not from that source.

According to Merck, Vioxx "tested well". Every company is biased towards their on interests, and every person is biased in their own favor, and every public relations statement a company issues has that company's bottom line in mind. Without seeing the actual data, such a statement is pretty meaningless.

Moreover, from the surveys I took, there wasn't really much opportunity to highlight Big Conceptual issues like the ones we're having here. The surveys are more about determining whether we think the amount of damage is right and less whether we think the ability makes any sense in the first place.