Damage Reduction in MotW

[mikebr99]

Ok, from what I can glean from that writeup. And the rules to multiclassing. A person has something as a class feature even before they reach that level. Its a feature of a class.

For example:

A barbarian 1/rogue 1 has uncanny dodge (does not loss dex) because both classes have uncanny dodge as a class feature. They stack in the example. Even though neither class actually has gotten to the level that they would get it listed on their list.

This makes the Damage resistance is a class feature of Barbarian even at 1st level. This means that you qualify for it. And be able to take 1/- at first. It would stay that way until they reached 11th level at which point it would become 2/- as per the write-up.

Agreed...
It specificaly says "as a class feature", not "has DR +1/- or greater".

If you go to the PHB... page 24. You will note a heading called "Class Features". PLease note that DR (on page 25) is part of this chapter.

Class Features
All of the following are class features of the barbarian.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: ...
Barbarian Rage: ...
Fast Movement: ...
Uncanny Dodge: ...
Damage Reduction: ...
Illiteracy:...

 

[Tyrion]

Agreed...
It specificaly says "as a class feature", not "has DR +1/- or greater".

If you go to the PHB... page 24. You will note a heading called "Class Features". PLease note that DR (on page 25) is part of this chapter.

Class Features
All of the following are class features of the barbarian.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: ...
Barbarian Rage: ...
Fast Movement: ...
Uncanny Dodge: ...
Damage Reduction: ...
Illiteracy:...

The reason the feat requires DR as a "class feature" is to prevent a character getting a magical item or spell that gives damage reduction, then taking the feat.

I don't think allowing the feat at 1st level is unbalanced, but I do think it is illegal by the rules. Imagine a feat that requires "Evasion as a class feature"...does that mean a single level of rogue or monk will allow one to take the feat, regardless of what level they are?

However, the whole issue seems fairly trivial, so it's not worth agonizing too much over it.

 

[Magic Rub]

The reason the feat requires DR as a "class feature" is to prevent a character getting a magical item or spell that gives damage reduction, then taking the feat.

Prerequisite : Damage reduction as a class feature or innate ability.

If that spell would give you damage reduction permanently then yes you could take this feat as per the "innate ability" part of the prereq.

I don't think allowing the feat at 1st level is unbalanced, but I do think it is illegal by the rules.

It is legal as it is currently worded. WotC is pretty anal about balance for feats, even in the splat books. If they had wanted a lvl restriction they would have written in a lvl restriction as one of the prereq's, as they have with countless other feats. Would you say that spell casting is a class feature of Rangers, or Pal's? It says class feature not the "ability to..." or "Must have DR already".

However, the whole issue seems fairly trivial, so it's not worth agonizing too much over it.

Yup you're right it's not worth agonizing over it.




Eccles, take the feat (however underpowerd it may be) it's legal.

 

[Macbrea]

By the way the quickest I have discovered a person can get to damage resistance in a class is.


Human Monk (OA) 1/Forsaker 2

Gives you 3/+1 damage resistance.

 

[Macbrea]

Greater Resiliency [General]
Your extraordinary resilience to damage increases .
Prerequisite : Damage reduction as a class feature or
innate ability.
Benefit : Your damage reduction increases by +1/-. If
would normally rise thereafter with level, it does so at
its previous rate . For example, a 15th-level barbarian has
damage reduction 2/-. By taking this feat, he raises it to
3/-. Thereafter, it continues to rise by +1/- at the designated
intervals: to 4/- at 17th level, and to 5/- at 20th
level . You may not take this feat more than once.

Hey, does anyone know what happens if you happen to have more then one type of damage resistance? Example:


Dwarf cleric 1/ranger 2/Forsaker 6/foe (giant) hunter 5/dwarven defender 6

Has
Forsaker gives 7/+3 damage resistance
Foe hunter gives 5/- damage resistance vs giants
Dwarven defender has 3/- damage resistance

Does this guy taking this feat have:
Damage resistance: 8/+3, 6/- vs giants, 4/-

 

[Magic Rub]

Start a new thread & ask, you might get more reply's that way. (?) I'm not to sure how that would work off the top of my head. I know that DR's don't always stack (if ever?). I'm fairly sure that the Forsaker DR doesn't.

 

[the Jester]

DR overlaps but doesn't stack.

So you take the best of the bunch in any given circumstance.

 

[Caliban]

The reason the feat requires DR as a "class feature" is to prevent a character getting a magical item or spell that gives damage reduction, then taking the feat.

I don't think allowing the feat at 1st level is unbalanced, but I do think it is illegal by the rules. Imagine a feat that requires "Evasion as a class feature"...does that mean a single level of rogue or monk will allow one to take the feat, regardless of what level they are?

However, the whole issue seems fairly trivial, so it's not worth agonizing too much over it.

I agree. I think that the requirement was meant to be read:

Prerequisite: Damage Reduction. (As a class feature or an innate ability.)

It is vaguely worded though, so it can be interpreted the other way. But I don't think that is the intent. *shrug*

 

[Avatar of the North]

Originally Posted by Tyrion
Imagine a feat that requires "Evasion as a class feature"...does that mean a single level of rogue or monk will allow one to take the feat, regardless of what level they are?

Not to be super picky but 1st level monks DO have evasion

Personally a class feature to me doesn't happen UNTILL you actually have the ability. You don't have evasion as a rogue untill 2nd level. So you couldn't get theoritical feat until then. Same should go for this DR feat as well.