Daredevil Season 4 under development for Disney+

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
And I rather doubt that Shang-Chi will ever be part of the Defenders, if that were to make a comeback.

I don't think the Defenders will be a thing, though with Daredevil getting another season on Disney+, I think we can expect to see some of the others back in action soon, too, between Daredevil and Echo putting New York City street level heroes back on the map.

But, rather the point was that the iconic type of the two characters in the MCU is so similar (power set, secret city, conflict with an Asian-based criminal organization, connection with dragons) that it is pretty clear that Shang-Chi was set up to take the Iron Fist's slot anywhere they really wanted to use Iron Fist. And Simu Liu is not above doing TV work.
 

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payn

Legend
He makes a fine antagonist. But murderous anti-hero protagonists send rather the wrong message these days.
My first thought was have you seen just about any movie not Marvel recently? Then, I remember the Marvel part and agree the Punisher has an unusual place in the mix and likely always will.
 

Awesome!

It seems a no-brainer that Matt Murdock will show up in She-Hulk.


Looks like the cameo in Spider-Man: No Way Home (and his rumored cameo coming up in She-Hulk) is paying off! :)

While I agree that Jon Bernthal did a good job in the role, there's no getting around the fact that the Punisher is a problematic character, especially now, for a multitude of reasons.

I'd be happier with no more punisher ever, but I can ignore him easily enough. Just don't ever make him the central issue of a season of the show of a character I actually care about.

Unf! Those fights were just jaw-dropping. A bunch of other shows around that time tried to replicate them, but fell short.

More corridor fights? Yes please!
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
My first thought was have you seen just about any movie not Marvel recently?

I'm not a fan of revenge action movies, if that's what you're asking. Keanu Reeves is an awesome dude, but I have no interest in John Wick.

Then, I remember the Marvel part and agree the Punisher has an unusual place in the mix and likely always will.

And specifically, the Punisher has a really awkward position in a nation with frequent cases of dudes dressing up in paramilitary gear and shooting civilians.
 

payn

Legend
I'm not a fan of revenge action movies, if that's what you're asking. Keanu Reeves is an awesome dude, but I have no interest in John Wick.
Yeap.
And specifically, the Punisher has a really awkward position in a nation with frequent cases of dudes dressing up in paramilitary gear and shooting civilians.
I'll be honest, I think Punisher media is the least of concerns about that. Though, I am steering clear of politics on this one.
 


Ryujin

Legend
Awesome!

It seems a no-brainer that Matt Murdock will show up in She-Hulk.
I think that he was already shown in one of the trailers, but I could be wrong.
While I agree that Jon Bernthal did a good job in the role, there's no getting around the fact that the Punisher is a problematic character, especially now, for a multitude of reasons.
Mostly people appropriating his name and symbol for reasons that the character wouldn't support, but discussing that way leads to moderation.
Unf! Those fights were just jaw-dropping. A bunch of other shows around that time tried to replicate them, but fell short.
How they were generally done in one cut was mind numbing. I can't imagine the number of takes.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I don't think the Defenders will be a thing, though with Daredevil getting another season on Disney+, I think we can expect to see some of the others back in action soon, too, between Daredevil and Echo putting New York City street level heroes back on the map.

But, rather the point was that the iconic type of the two characters in the MCU is so similar (power set, secret city, conflict with an Asian-based criminal organization, connection with dragons) that it is pretty clear that Shang-Chi was set up to take the Iron Fist's slot anywhere they really wanted to use Iron Fist. And Simu Liu is not above doing TV work.
That's a pretty broad definition needed to put them in the same spot. I just don't think you're on track, here.

They did Shang-Chi because the character is cool, they needed to improve representation in the MCU, and the character is a good fit for whatever replaces the avengers in the next phase. Iron Fist doesn't factor into it. I very strongly doubt they've given any significant thought to Iron Fist at all.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I know lots of folks dont dig the Punisher. My favorite comics as a kid were actually the ones where Punisher ended up in spidey and friends way. The contrast between hero and anti-hero always made for interesting stories Maybe, it just split up the same ol same ol villain and hero dynamic.

I do think Jon Bernthal is the best to play Punisher. I didn't care much for season 1 to be honest. Though, I thought season 2 was some of the best Marvel Netflix up there with the best of Daredevil. Maybe the best comeback is just to appear in some Daredevil?
HE's a really good actor, I would be happy for Punisher fans if he got a movie. I just won't be watching it.
 

wmarshal

Villager
I would still love to see that happen. Screw canon and let Colleen become Iron Fist.
It would have been cool. It would be a better and more organic way to have a female focused show instead of doing some of the ham-fisted and lazy gender flips I’ve seen occur. Don’t make the hero a female, make the female a hero.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
That's a pretty broad definition needed to put them in the same spot.

If you think that hitting all but one major defining point of the character (Danny is an orphaned rich white kid, Shang-Chi isn't) is "pretty broad" well, then we will just have to disagree.
 

If he did I missed it. But I easily could have missed it.

I think that he was already shown in one of the trailers, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, it's an impressive feat of movie-making. Have you seen 1917? While not actually one take, it is strung together to appear as such, and it is amazing the amount of immediacy and immersion you get from it.

How they were generally done in one cut was mind numbing. I can't imagine the number of takes.
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
Yeah, it's an impressive feat of movie-making. Have you seen 1917? While not actually one take, it is strung together to appear as such, and it is amazing the amount of immediacy and immersion you get from it.
I still need to see 1917. That approach was amazing in Birdman. And of course all the long multi-minute takes in Children of Men, though that one doesn't try to keep it up for most of the movie.
 


Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Yeah, it's an impressive feat of movie-making. Have you seen 1917? While not actually one take, it is strung together to appear as such, and it is amazing the amount of immediacy and immersion you get from it.
Years ago I was watching a documentary about ... I want to say Jackie Chan. And they were talking about the filming, and about how Hollywood wants to cut the shots all these different ways to make it feel dynamic and a bunch of other adjectives, but by keeping the shot, including showing the effects of a hit instead of just moving onto the next hit made a stronger and more visceral fight sequence in their opinion.
 

Oooh, yeah, some of those shots in Children of Men are just amazing.

1917 is super-worth checking out. It is just intense. I also think it's funny that the biggest stars in it just have cameos.

I still need to see 1917. That approach was amazing in Birdman. And of course all the long multi-minute takes in Children of Men, though that one doesn't try to keep it up for most of the movie.

If you look at a lot of those older martial arts and action movies, the emphasis is on the actor's technique and skill, so you want to show that in full. Not just a spliced together rapidfire series of cuts.

Years ago I was watching a documentary about ... I want to say Jackie Chan. And they were talking about the filming, and about how Hollywood wants to cut the shots all these different ways to make it feel dynamic and a bunch of other adjectives, but by keeping the shot, including showing the effects of a hit instead of just moving onto the next hit made a stronger and more visceral fight sequence in their opinion.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
It would have been cool. It would be a better and more organic way to have a female focused show instead of doing some of the ham-fisted and lazy gender flips I’ve seen occur. Don’t make the hero a female, make the female a hero.
Season 2 they did have Colleen become Iron Fist (or White Fist anyway) - so its already set up for Colleen to take over the role and thus have proper asian represntation while Danny goes off to find himself.

a Daughters of the Dragon - Heroes for Hire set up is probably better for transitioning the street crew over to MCU anyway, I’d be down for that
 


Haiku Elvis

Adventurer
They already did. What do you think Shang-Chi was? They won't bother using the Iron Fist name, but the character abilities are close enough for government work.

Iron Fist is a golden opportunity to tell stories about cultural clash and appropriation, or to adjust the Marvel continuity and make the Iron Fist multicultural at its root. Either one would have been a decent call, but they didn't do either.

I was actually fine with the actor. I think the character was written poorly.
I agree in the defenders and his cameo in Luke Cage he was fine. It was the fact he was basically the patsy in his own story just bumbling along while everyone else did the interesting stuff that was the issue.
 

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