Darksun Teasers

I reckon that the spirit of the setting is being preserved, and the minor details can be fiddled with all they like.

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Hey, retcon cosmology, shoehorn in tieflings, make whatever changes are necessary

I would argue that these aren't necessary and that they aren't just minor details, but do indeed interfere big time with the spirit of the setting.

That's the big divide that's going to happen over Dark Sun, and why I think it's going to be such a glorious train wreck. Fans like, say, Purple up there, are old fans of Dark Sun. They don't want tieflings or a retconned cosmology.

On the other hand of the spectrum, you have people who haven't really played Dark Sun and don't really care. They go "Man whatever, just give the funky creatures!"

I think it comes down to this: What do you put more emphasis in? The 4e part, or the Dark Sun part?
 

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Yea, I don't see anything wrong with his post. Sounds like they ARE trying to keep Athas like it was. I like it so far.

PurpleXVI said:
Instead they're obviously already messing with the ecology and have this bizarre idea that they need to "fix" the setting. Yeah, this is going to be goddamn awful and it's going to lose everything that was good about it.
I don't see this in his post at all. Could you clarify?

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That's the big divide that's going to happen over Dark Sun, and why I think it's going to be such a glorious train wreck. Fans like, say, Purple up there, are old fans of Dark Sun. They don't want tieflings or a retconned cosmology.

On the other hand of the spectrum, you have people who haven't really played Dark Sun and don't really care. They go "Man whatever, just give the funky creatures!"

I think it comes down to this: What do you put more emphasis in? The 4e part, or the Dark Sun part?

This is a 100% false dichotomy.

I'm a huge fan of old Dark Sun. It's one of my three favorite settings of the 1E/2E era.

And I find the idea that (just to pull an example from earlier in the thread) making the dray into dragonborn "ruins" the setting to be so utterly nonsensical that I almost have to assume people are looking for reasons to be upset.

What made Dark Sun great was the themes of the setting. The desertscape, the tyrannical sorcerer-kings, the brutal city-states, the gladiatorial conflict, the struggle for mere survival (let alone freedom)...

None of this is dependent on whether or not a specific race is added into the setting in 4E.

Seriously, I've yet to see anyone offer a reasonable explanation of why it would be bad if the dray were dragonborn, or why it would be bad to include tieflings, other than "Well, they weren't there before!" If such things are added in without any effort at making them fit the mood, theme, and feel of Dark Sun, then yes, that would be a bad thing. But if they're included in a way that fits, where's the downside?
 


Tieflings would be awesome in Dark Sun.

Some people are just not going to be pleased no matter what unless they change their name to TSR and re-release the 1991 boxed set.

I'm excited..!
 

I'm a big fan of 2E Dark Sun and am looking forward to the 4E version even with revisions. Tieflings, while hated by me, aren't hard to make fit. Neither are gnomes or any other races so long as they can be savage (eladrin are the biggest stretch for me but I still think of them as a weird cross of elf and outsider).
 

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So far it doesn't sound like they've made any drastic changes. I'm looking forward to seeing more.

I'd be a bit surprised if they retconned Tieflings into the setting (though I think they'd be okay as some kind of extremely rare race that just isn't encountered much, if they're going to go that route). I also don't see any issue with Primordials in the setting, depending on how they're handled (DS has always had a pretty heavy elemental theme, so hopefully any Primordials will be recast as elemental exemplars or lords).

It's a bit premature (IMO) to decry them as having ruined Dark Sun considering we've seen all of two small blog entries on the topic.
 

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