Dazed and confused...

[RigaMortus]

Catchy title for my post, aye? Anyway... If you Daze an enemy, and someone tries to Disarm them, do they get a chance to oppose? I know they can't make an AoO, but can they oppose the Disarm? What about other attacks, such as an unarmed Trip? Grapple? Sunder? Removing an item from their person?

 

[dcollins]

I would assume "yes", they get a chance to oppose, under the general principle that a spell or power doesn't do more than it explicitly says. A dazed character "defends itself normally", still gets to make saving throws, isn't flat-footed or reduced in Dexterity, etc.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I would assume "yes", they get a chance to oppose, under the general principle that a spell or power doesn't do more than it explicitly says. A dazed character "defends itself normally", still gets to make saving throws, isn't flat-footed or reduced in Dexterity, etc.

Counter-trip? Counter-disarm?

-Hyp.

 

[dcollins]

What do you think?

 

[Hypersmurf]

What do you think?

It's a tricky one... particularly when you step the condition up to 'stunned'.

A stunned creature 'takes no actions', but a counter-disarm isn't defined as an action...

... but then, neither is an AoO.

-Hyp.

 

[dcollins]

Probably I'd make a DM's call and so "no" to the counter-trip or disarm, since they look a little too much like an attack action to do the same. That's one worthy of a FAQ item.

 

[Li Shenron]

I would assume "yes", they get a chance to oppose, under the general principle that a spell or power doesn't do more than it explicitly says. A dazed character "defends itself normally", still gets to make saving throws, isn't flat-footed or reduced in Dexterity, etc.

I would go with the same ruling. Yes to to reactive and defensive behaviour, no to AoOs.

 

[RigaMortus]

But it also says that the dazed creature doesn't get to take any actions. Wouldn't a counter-trip attempt be considered an action?

 

[Darklone]

See above. I'm in the no counter-trip, counter-disarm camp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But it also says that the dazed creature doesn't get to take any actions. Wouldn't a counter-trip attempt be considered an action?

Not strictly, no. It's not a full-round action, standard action, move action, free action, or not-an-action.

-Hyp.