Death Blow questions

[Jeremy]

That's a really good example.

 

[Victim]

can you say attack trip the person with your full round action, then with your hasted action perfom the coupe da grace, when you have the death blow feat, since they are denied there dex?

Being prone doesn't deny dex, and it certainly doesn't render the opponent helpless - the criterion for a coup de grace, augmented by Death Blow or not.

 

[kreynolds]

Don't forget the foe must be "helpless."

Unless, of course, "Death Blow" changes that, too.

Ahh! Damn! I forgot that. I was on my way out of the office. That'll teach me to rapidly reply to a post when I'm in a hurry to jet.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: Death Blow questions

Sorry, kreynolds, I can't imagine an enemy who retains his Dex mod to AC while you are able to CDG him

Well color me BUSTED!

 

[RigaMortus]

No. The Death Blow is a standard action by itself.

Ok, a Standard Action = an action (or activity) + a Move

Death Blow = a Standard Action CDG

If what you are saying is true, that Death Blow is a standard action by itself, then that means you do not get an action (or activity) OR a Move BUT you do get to CDG. So what is the difference between Death Blow and a regular CDG? Neither one will allow you to move or take any other action except the CDG. So there is really no benefit.

You can no longer "move" to someone and CDG them with Death Blow because the Move is part of a Standard Action. But since Death Blow is a Standard Action "by itself" then that means you can't do anything else BUT Death Blow.

 

[Caliban]

Ok, a Standard Action = an action (or activity) + a Move

Death Blow = a Standard Action CDG

Right, and you get a Move or MEA with a Standard Action.

If what you are saying is true, that Death Blow is a standard action by itself, then that means you do not get an action (or activity) OR a Move BUT you do get to CDG. So what is the difference between Death Blow and a regular CDG? Neither one will allow you to move or take any other action except the CDG. So there is really no benefit.

Please don't tell me you are serious. Is your understanding of the English language really that tenuous?

You can no longer "move" to someone and CDG them with Death Blow because the Move is part of a Standard Action. But since Death Blow is a Standard Action "by itself" then that means you can't do anything else BUT Death Blow.

What you are describing is a Partial Action, not a Standard Action. (Partial = Move or action, Standard = Move and action.)

Death Blow allows you to do a CDG as a standard action, which means you can move and CDG. Normally CDG is a full round action, which means you can only 5' step and CDG.

A single attack by itself is not a Standard Action. You can use a Standard Action to make a single attack, or you can use a Full Round Action to make a single attack, or you can make a single attack as an AoO, or gain an extra single attack using things like Cleave or Expert Tactician.

Since Expert Tactician only gives you a single extra attack and not a partial action, you cannot replace the single extra attack with a Death Blow. There are things that you can replace a single attack with (Trip, Disarm, Sunder), but a Death Blow/CDG is not one of them. That is why you would need Haste.

 

[RigaMortus]

What you are describing is a Partial Action, not a Standard Action. (Partial = Move or action, Standard = Move and action.)

What I am describing is a Death Blow as a Standard Action as per the description you gave me.

You said "a Death Blow is a standard action by itself".

So in other words...

Standard Action = an action (aractivity) + a Move (or move-equiv yada yada yada).

I think I understand that part.

What you said comes out as so:

Death Blow = Standard Action

IF you are suggesting that a you can still get a Move with a Death Blow then what you should have said was "a Death Blow is a Standard Action by itself WHICH ALLOWS A MOVE". And if that is the case, well then that is a new type of action that I am aware of. That would come out to be this:

Death Blow = Standard Action + a Move

Or do you mean to say that Death Blow takes the place of the "action" part of a Standard Action? Because this is clearly not the description in Sword and Fist.

 

[Caliban]

What I am describing is a Death Blow as a Standard Action as per the description you gave me.

You said "a Death Blow is a standard action by itself".

So in other words...

Standard Action = an action (aractivity) + a Move (or move-equiv yada yada yada).

I think I understand that part.

What you said comes out as so:

Death Blow = Standard Action

Youu misunderstood what I said completely.

IF you are suggesting that a you can still get a Move with a Death Blow then what you should have said was "a Death Blow is a Standard Action by itself WHICH ALLOWS A MOVE". And if that is the case, well then that is a new type of action that I am aware of. That would come out to be this:

Death Blow = Standard Action + a Move

Or do you mean to say that Death Blow takes the place of the "action" part of a Standard Action? Because this is clearly not the description in Sword and Fist.

*sigh*

 

[RigaMortus]

*sigh*

Well, unfortunately that doesn't really contribute to your arguement nor does it help me to better understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Caliban]

Well, unfortunately that doesn't really contribute to your arguement nor does it help me to better understand what you are trying to say.

I apologize for being short, but I've already explained everything in my previous two posts.

Right now I'm in Arizona and our air-conditioner is on the fritz, so I'm not feeling very talkative. If you haven't figured it out by tomorrow, I'll post from work with a simpler explanation.