Deepwood Sniper "Keen Edge"

[Crothian]

I don't have any of the Quintessential books, but I would buy the Q. Ranger. Maybe Badaxe will do some class material in the future. They look promising. Maybe we should do our own and submit it to Dragon?

If I did my own, I'd submit to one of the great publishers around here. Dragon's nice, but I perfer to go through the other guys.

Badaxe has suprised me, I have the Dwarf one and I'm happy with it. They seem to be doing Race books with heavy concentration on the favored class. No one has favored class Ranger, well, no one in the Core rules anyone.

 

[Crothian]

Especially in an urban setting.

That's true. I did have a good laugh when my Ranger went into a dungeon and I looked at all the useful spells I had prepared that day. None of them were useful.

 

[Chun-tzu]

Okay, that's two people (me and you) who seem to think this. Ranger's spellcasting is almost ignored in print products. MotW has no Ranger oriented classes that continue spell progression. There are some classes in there that a Ranger can eventtually qualify for to that get full spell progression, but most of the classes have new spell lists and new spell progressions.

Make that three! It comes from an important flaw in the prestige class system. Paladins suffer from the same problem, because it becomes so difficult to prevent spellcasters from taking the same class and becoming WAY too powerful.

The prestige class system is nice, but it's flawed. And no one has yet been able to fix this problem, and there may be no good way of fixing it without re-writing the PrC system.

The only way I can think of to fix it, is to break down each of the core classes into their major abilities and minor ones. Prestige classes may then enhance an ability (major or minor), and the other abilities would advance at the normal rate or a slower one. Almost NEVER should a class have to completely give up a major ability, the way too many Rogue PrCs completely give up sneak attacks.

 

[Crothian]

Make that three! It comes from an important flaw in the prestige class system. Paladins suffer from the same problem, because it becomes so difficult to prevent spellcasters from taking the same class and becoming WAY too powerful.

The prestige class system is nice, but it's flawed. And no one has yet been able to fix this problem, and there may be no good way of fixing it without re-writing the PrC system.

The only way I can think of to fix it, is to break down each of the core classes into their major abilities and minor ones. Prestige classes may then enhance an ability (major or minor), and the other abilities would advance at the normal rate or a slower one. Almost NEVER should a class have to completely give up a major ability, the way too many Rogue PrCs completely give up sneak attacks.

Actually, I have a solution for this. Rangers/Paladins get +1 spellcaster level every level, and all other spellcasters would get +1 spellcasting levels every even level. It's a simple note to place under the spellcasting description.

 

[LostSoul]

That's true. I did have a good laugh when my Ranger went into a dungeon and I looked at all the useful spells I had prepared that day. None of them were useful.

The Ranger can be very subtle in achieving his goals with that spell list.

 

[Crothian]

The Ranger can be very subtle in achieving his goals with that spell list.

They can when you prepare correctly. I prepared for the wilderness not knowing our adventure was leading us underground. There was nothing to cast entangle or Speak with Animals on.

 

[Chun-tzu]

Actually, I have a solution for this. Rangers/Paladins get +1 spellcaster level every level, and all other spellcasters would get +1 spellcasting levels every even level. It's a simple note to place under the spellcasting description.

What about multiclassed characters? Again, this system is still possible, but I think it starts getting messy, and no one's been willing to try something like it.

Part of this whole problem, IMHO, stems from the concept that prestige classes should never be specific to a given class. And while I understand that idea, as we've seen, some classes get the better end of that stick, which other's don't. Monks, for example, are too unique to share very much with the other core classes. There's some small overlap between the martial arts focused Fighter and the Monk, but it still doesn;t work mechanically speaking.

The most balanced mechanics would probably come from class-specific prestige classes.

 

[Crothian]

What about multiclassed characters? Again, this system is still possible, but I think it starts getting messy, and no one's been willing to try something like it.

Again, I think it would be simple. A Ranger 5/Druid 5 wants to take the Spellcasting Wilderness Dude Prestige class. The class gets spell progression above like I stated. So, the first for ever level he wants to advance his Ranger spellcasting he gets one for one. However, to increase his Druid spellcasting level by one he must first get no bonus to spellcaster level.

 

[Redevil621]

A player in my campain has a 4fight/4rouge, and is thinking about taking the prestiege, i have a feeling hes going to be learly unstopable at higher levels

 

[Crothian]

A player in my campain has a 4fight/4rouge, and is thinking about taking the prestiege, i have a feeling hes going to be learly unstopable at higher levels

Not really. When he critical something, it will take a lot of damage, but so will a high level rogue sneak attacking or a Wizard with their spells. All high level characters have amazing abilities, and I think you'll find this one to be right on par with all the others.